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Weird how I have the urge to post. But then change my mind. So far, the car has only made a few sparks. Carb swapping is far in the future. This is unknown -

Unlikely. No offense intended. Electrical connections, firing order, and timing apply to electronic distributors too.

Other stuff can make noise up there. Worth checking before you start breaking bolts.

In Post #15 on the second page you said that you tried "3 distributors". Seems unlikely that all 3 would have bad points and/or a "dead wire". I think that the "hot wire", the sidenote, was probably the solution. Just posting for the record.

The contacts inside the high/low switch at the base of the turn signal stalk get gummed up or corroded. Some people take them apart and clean up the contacts, some just squirt a bunch of contact cleaner in and give it a good workout. The combination switch supplies power to both the high and low beams. But the grounding in the switch at the signal stalk determines which beam lights.

Looks like an interesting experiment. There is a ton of different grades of TPU out there. The Overture site does not tell much. I linked to one of the big TPU suppliers for example, at the bottom. Click the Products heading to see more. Still weird that the guy made it look like a Nissan product, even down to the Japanese text. Almost like it's not meant for actual use. Good luck! https://overture3d.com/blogs/news/tds-overture https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0207/3624/5824/files/OVERTURE_TPU_TDS_EN.pdf?v=1706141279 https://overture3d.com/blogs/news/sds-1 https://www.lubrizol.com/Engineered-Polymers/Products/Estane-TPU https://www.lubrizol.com/Engineered-Polymers/About/What-is-TPU

CO had a good suggestion here. Stop messing around with that spaghetti-nest of wires. Confirm that you will be able to create spark with just the coil and distributor and coil and plug wires that you have. Disconnect ALL of the harness power wires to the coil. Let them hang, with the ends protected so that you don't have a short circuit. Start with a bare coil, no power or ground wires attached. Run a long wire from the battery positive to the coil positive post. Connect the wire from the distributor (the points inside the cap) to the coil negative post. Crank the engine over using the key or using a remote starter. You'll be doing what old-time car thieves do. Mess around with this setup until you get spark. The pictures of those nasty crusty wires and connections aren't helping at all. Simpify things down to the bare essentials. If you can't get spark with a single hot wire from the battery you'll never get it from any of those in that pile of wires.

Everything in this thread has been about that. The spark at the points is what causes the spark from the coil.

240dkw's comments raise a good point, which might/probably have also been raised by others (and which I missed) - you could see power at the coil with the key at On/Run, but then see no pwer at the coil with the key at Start. The Start circuit is different than the On/Run circuit. CO's "hot-wire" suggestion would have shown that. But another way to test it is to measure voltage at the coil posts with the key at Start. You'll need a friend or to set the meter up where you can see it.

Here's another thing that I had thought about earlier - is the distributor rotor turning when the engine is turning? Might be that all of the wiring is just fine but the points never open and close because the distributor isn't turning. You can check that by eye. You can also leave the distributor cap off while turning the engine and watch for spark across the points themselves. Maybe the coil is bad.

Maybe it would help to back up and do more of the basics. 1. Use your meter and set it to resistance or continuity. Place one probe on the engine block and the other on battery negative. This will confirm a good circuit from the battery through the engine block (Patcon's point above). You've already confirmed positive (power) but have not confirmed the return path, the ground. 2. Place a probe on the distributor body by the points and the other on the engine block, or even back to the battery negative. Confirm that the path is low resistance/continuous. This will confirm a good path from the distributor body back to the battery. 3. Place a probe on the negative side of the points (the side with no wire connected to it) and the other on the distributor body, the engine block, and battery negative. This will confirm an unbroken path from the points back to the battery negative. 4. With the key off and the points open, place a probe on the coil negative terminal and the other probe on the engine block or battery negative. Confirm that the circuit is open, non-continuous, very very high resistance. You might have a short to ground from the coil primary circuit. With the key off and points open the coils two posts should not have a path to ground. There will be no spark created if the coil is never de-energized (short to ground). There will be no spark if there is no current flowing (open circuit to ground). The presence of voltage does not guarantee current flow. An open ground circuit or a short to ground, on the coil circuit, will cause a no spark situation.

I was going to suggest a jumper wire to the coil. But, the above. With the cut wires, but still getting power to the coil with the key on, it seems like somebody has already bypassed the stock setup. Just saying...we can only work with the information relayed to us.

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This has probably been mentioned already somewhere but I just stumbled across it on the Datsun Spirit web site. A new cylinder head for the L6. Can't find many fine details about how it differs from the factory casting. Some comments about combustion chamber volume and port shape. The Stage 5 engine - https://www.datsunspirit.com/engines The link from the DS page. You'll need the ability to read Japanese or Google Translate - http://www.pams-japan.com/30cafe/project.php Some video links. They seem to be focused on maximum noise. Drag racing.

Any more details about your setup? Just for fun. They make several different levels of engine. Gear ratios and RPM would be good to know also. https://www.datsunspirit.com/engines

Pull the wire from the distributor, set it close to a ground point, have somebody turn the ley to Start while you watch the gap. You should see a spark. A meter is the wrong tool for a spark test. Your distributor connection is obviously different than in this Youtube short. top of the cap instead of underneath, but you can figure it out. We all just need to hear from you that you've done this and nothing happened or somethng happened. We need something concrete to understand about what you're working on. It is a very common and well-known spark test procedure.

If "power" is coming out of the center wire of the coil - that is "spark". You're still not describing where, exactly, you are looking when you say "no spark". When testing just the coil and points you should remove the center wire from the top of the distributor cap, leave it connected to the coil, and do your spark test. Place the end of the wire close to a grounding point, like the intake manifold, close but with a small gap for the spark to jump. Then do whatever you're doing to look for spark, spinning the engine or opening and closing the points by hand. The spark from the coil passes to the center of the distributor cap and is picked up by each spark plug wire electrode as the rotor turns inside the cap.

Thanks for doing all of that work and showing it. People that do restoration probably don't realize how much hidden rust there is in those cavities and seams. I'm still curious about what type of welding/brazing/soldering they were using to attach the pieces. The seam where the roof panel meets the C pillar outer skin looks like it's an overlap of formed sheet ends, the C pillar end going under the roof panel piece. So there's an area that might typically be brazed, with filler metal flowing in to the gap. But it also looks like some welding is going on between the two base metals. The distinction between welding and brazing seems to be whether or not the metal of the two pieces being connected melts or not. In brazing it doesn't and it's adhesion between two different metals. In welding the metals all melt and form a new alloy, a melt puddle, at the junction. The quality of the work reminds me of what my friend did when he brazed an exhaust system together on one of my old hot rods. A torch (flame) and some filler wire. Ugly but effective. Any chance you can show the seam along the drip rail? that's where the roof panel would be attached. I assume that it's a string of those "booger" beads.

What does "leaving" mean? If you have voltage at the coil there's no reason to focus too much on the wiring if you're only trying to start the engine. Give a better description of what you're actually seeing. How do you know you're not getting spark?

Do the points open as the distributor turns? And do they close completely? They have to open and close to create a spark. You can remove the condenser and try. It might be shorted internally.

Forums are give and take. It's your turn to give. Good luck.

Seems like you might be misunderstanding how the igntion system works. It's kind of magical. The spark does not come directly from the power that enters the coil. It comes from the collapse of the magnetic field when the power through the coil is interrupted. The part that you need to focus on is called the primary circuit. It's the current that enters the coil, passes through the points and on to ground. The condenser does not pass any current, it is connected as a branch on the circuit to absorb the peaks of the current pulses as the primary circuit is opened and closed. Anyway, the places to probe for voltage are the two posts on the coil and both sides of the points. You also want to check the grounding of the distributor body since that is where the current flows after it passes through the points. The most common problem with old points is corrosion on the contacts. Open the points and file these surfaces.

This video might help. It's a starting point anyway.

The puddle of lead is interesting but can you dig in to the actual joint itself to see how the two pieces are attached to each other? The roof skin and the outer portion of the C pillar. The edge along the drip rail is interesting also. That seam needs bonding too.

That's two pictures of the C pillar seam area now. The first one was the inside of the bottom half of the pillar, yours is the top part that gets treated with lead. It seems like what yours shows is that the the outer/upper portion of the seam is welded, then covered with lead to fill the groove left behind. Those blobs are probably welds. So, both spot welds and seam welds are used to create the pillar. A messy area to work on, as you said. Hard to see how you'd get it apart without creating a lot of extra work. You can see how the upper part of the "tube" that you show sits on the lower part that was shown earlier. And there's rust on the weld blobs. It might be crude brazing efforts. Not an expert on welding methods, older or newer.