I applaud you for studies of the Hinomaru, 26th-Z. Maybe I am less knowledgeable in the roots of these two symbols but I honestly don't think my issue is the 'perfect illustration' of ignorance. Quite the opposite actually, as my issue was not with the whole story of either the flag or the Nazi Symbol, merely a scarred part of them, which I personally feel deserves another look when considering to make it a main logo of a site that consists of individuals who's families may have been affected. Regardless symbol or flag, they are both SYMBOLS, and both are unfortunately tied to less fortunate events. Again, even though I have some grievances to the use of this symbol... I am not here to tell CZCC they cannot use it, just simply state the facts. That would be quite unfair. My target of discussion was more aimed at your less than pleasant comment that people should just "Get Over it." This is a bit harsh to those who still hold deep emotion to the subject matter, don't you think? If you stuck with digging deeper into the details behind the Hinomaru, as you have so kindly shown me, and with it formed a reasonable defense of why our CZCC logo should be fairly considered, I would not have commented. Do you have any family ties to those who suffered in Nanjing China, other parts of China, Korea, and a large vicinity of South East Asia? I would, possibly ignorantly, guess that you do not. Your views are your own and I respect them, but while we are at it, why don't we just tell individuals of Jewish decent to "Get over it!!," possibly, 9-11 victims' families to "Get over it!!" That kind of attitude will not be taken with a kind heart, and I apologize if you expect it to. I also find it interesting how you managed to only address one sentence in my two posts. At no point prior to your post, or even up until now, did anyone argue that change was bad. In fact, I believe that there is PLENTY of room for it, both visually and functionally. My question to you is how is the growth and success of this site limited by simply not using a controversial logo? If anything, I think it would be more negative than positive. Why risk it? Yes, people will always have issues with what one creates, but I believe there would be considerably less people with issues if the logo was simply 'ugly,' rather than if it daunted on a touchy subject. You mentioned two sites you know of failed because they were not friendly to change and innovation. I could be totally wrong, but I highly doubt that limiting what can be used as a logo has anything to do with the big picture of why those two sites failed. MANY factors could have contributed. On another note, I love the photos you have attached. Although it may not have been your intention, these would all be great candidates to include in a logo or main banner. Mike, I am very happy you are exploring other avenues to make this site better for everyone. And although I may not agree with the logo itself, please keep up and thank you for the the work and dedication!