Mike

This is some excellent information as posted to our mailing list: >Hey guys! Does anyone know a rough estimated price_for a frame up >restoration? >The body of my 73 240Z isn't bad off but the more I hear you guys >talk...I think this is >the way I am going to want to go. Keep in mind I am not horribly >mechanically inclined >so this would most likely be done at a shop. (Need to find one of >those here in >Maryland too.) Hi Shannon: Let's just assure that the terms we use have the same meaning to both of us. "Restoration" - to return to "as new" condition. The "goal" of restoring a Classic Car is to return it in every detail to the condition it was in when it left the factory. If you contracted out the entire job - as Nissan Motors USA did with their Vintage Z program - you would need about $50,000.00 today. They lost money on a volume deal with the restoration shops - and they sold the last examples for $29,995.00. If you supplied most of the "grunt" labor - took the car completely apart yourself - contracted out the body work, sent the engine out to be rebuilt (as well as most of the mechanical things like carb's rebuilt, re-end, tranny, etc etc.). Then purchased all the detail trim parts/pieces and re-assembled the car yourself... you can easily spend $25K to $30K in addition to the price of the car - IF you start with a very nice car to begin with. (remember here we are talking about "every" detail being OEM") Let's say you really don't want to "Restore" it - just "Refresh" it. In that case lets say that you want to keep it stock - you want it very nice - but you are not concerned with every detail being "as it left the factory". Let's say you are willing to have a lot of things less than "brand new" and less than as "original" - but you just want them to look and operation well. You would be willing to use reproduction parts for example - and newer parts to replace superceded older parts etc. As above - If you sent it out - you might get by with $20K to $25K having someone else to everything (instead of $50K). If you do the grunt work - and make reasonable decisions, shop for bargain parts, etc etc - you might get away with spending between $10K and $15K in addition to the price of the car today. The only reason I can think of to "restore" or "refresh" a 240-Z today - is because you love doing the work... If you want a restored or refreshed 240-Z it's almost always far less expensive and for sure far less work to simply go spend the money it takes to buy one that's already done. (As long as you know what your buying!!!). Today "restored" or perfect original 240-Z's are $16,500.00 to $18,500 (and higher) - "refreshed" 240-Z's are $12,500 to $15,000.00. Less than half what you would spend doing one today. The guy that just paid $14K for that "refreshed" (poorly refreshed) 70 on e-bay could have put an additional $4K with it and had a near perfect Z... with 14K miles.. http://ZHome.com/ITSSale/71ForSale.htm or an absolutely beautiful but slightly modified 240-Z for the same money... http://ZHome.com/ITSSale/Resnick.htm FWIW, Carl Carl Beck Clearwater,FL USA IZCC #260 ------------------------------------ Internet 240z Club - http://www.240z.org To unsubscribe: http://www.240z.org/mailman/listinfo/list

Price and where did you get them?

If you want to change your screen name let me know. Glad to see you're finally in a Zcar! And, congrats on the other kid as well.

I like 'em!! Look good. Only problem with wheels like that is CLEANING!!! Get ready to spend an hour on the wheels alone.

Agreed, flip the wires around 180 degrees on the distributor cap and see what happens. I had this same problem. Ends up that my engine rebuilder put the distributor shaft in 180 degrees off!! I fought with the thing for at least 2-3 days and was terribly pissed. Then a friend came over and said... "Man, it sounds like the timing is totally off" We flipped it around and it started right up. Worth a try.

Hi Henry, Can you post information about that dealer? And, where are you buying your engine from?

Zwolley, take a look near the bottom of each thread. You'll see something called "Printer Friendly Version"... click that and you'll get a page ready for your printer.

Luck of the straw my friend. You help avoid those odds by looking both ways before you head into an intersection -- even if it's your green light. And stay far away from Minivans and Volvos. :dead:

The tab-menu theme is still around. Nobody really liked the other themes, so, I removed them to make room for the most popular ones. Well, nonetheless, unless we create a new theme from scratch we will stick with these. I took the mixture of all the good points about each theme and combined them into this one. Nice graphics that load fast as well as bright colors and non-confusing content. PS: I can get a custom theme designed for our site, but, that would cost about $750. We'll go down that road as soon as we raise enough money. Gotta keep in mind that we have expenses every month to pay for the server.

Yea, the battery tray was removed so I could get in there with a sandblaster and deal with the surface rust. I wanted to make sure it was absolutely GONE! The tray was powder-coated and I plan to drill a few holes to bolt it in place. This way, it's removable in case I need to get in there again. Of course I will use stainless bolts. Too bad titanium bolts are so expensive.

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I just uploaded more picts of my Zcar as it sits right now. Not much has changed in the past few years except for some additional dust. That's about to change here soon. Can't believe it took me this long just to get the images uploaded to my gallery!!! http://www.classiczcars.com/photopost/showgallery.php?cat=3048&ppuser=4&thumb=1