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Another '69 is up for sale on Ebay and located in Beverly Hills: Datsun Z Series 240Z Series 1 | eBay This car is already on Carl's '69 production year list. Robert S.

Tom, Thanks for seeing the potential in this car and bringing her back to life! Judging from the photos, your car has less rust damage than mine, but my car has a better interior. It's also great you were able to save another Series I car. By the way, how is Roger doing these days? Robert S.

Courtney, I was able to talk to all of the previous owners of my car, including the original owner. Knowing the history and past experiences of the car doesn't necessarily increase the value of the car, but it does bring to life the unique character of each one. Your orange Pumpkin is my favorite color on an early Z. I ended up with my second or third favorite, Sunshine Yellow. Not having named my cars before, I'm not sure what I would name my Z? As Bart pointed out, don't get discouraged through the process because we are all still learning. Some people are just farther along the journey than we are. Robert S.

Courtney, Welcome to the forum and congratulations on obtaining such a beautiful car! I really enjoyed reading your account of the trip to Oregon and the mishaps along the way. I can relate (as many here can) to the excitement of buying your first 240Z after months (or years) of saving for the car and weeding through all of the classified ads. When I met the previous owner of my car in person, we both knew the car was meant to be in my care. Thankfully we didn't have any mishaps on the trip home. You'll find a wealth of knowledge and experience here, as those with the same passion for the early Z are always willing to help. Congratulations again and I look forward to seeing more progress and photos of your car! Robert S.

Here we go again! Now is someone's chance to buy this car and you can use the convenient "buy it now" feature. I also wonder why the sale fell through, but we'll probably never know. Robert S.

The Ebay auction ended last night with a winning bid of $10,200. Congratulations to the new owner and I hope this car undergoes a full refresh. Thanks to everyone that contributed to this thread and shared your knowledge of the Series II cars. Robert S.

I understand that Nissan never classified the 240Z's by Series type and that the designation is just a convenient way to identify differences in the models. On Carl's page regarding the 1971 model year (The New 1971 Late Model Datsun 240Z), he cites that Nissan referred to the 1971 cars as "New 1971 late model Datsun 240Z Sports". Maybe we can start referring to the "Series II" models by this rather lengthy designation. Also, my early Series II built in February 1971 has a metal radiator fan too. Robert S.

Bart, According to the VIN, HLS30-28461, this is a Series II and would have been produced in April 1971. I like to think that the Series I cars ended when they moved the rear vents from the hatch to the B pillar, but I wouldn't be surprised if there are a few Series II cars (after VIN HLS30-21000) that have the rear vents on the hatch. My guess is they used up all of the remaining Series I parts left in stock during production, which just makes good business sense. There are more photos of the car on the Ebay ad, in case you haven't seen it yet: Datsun Z Series Coupe | eBay Robert S.

I agree this car has some serious rust issues, but it could still be saved. At the very least the parts could help keep other cars on the road! Robert S.

Guys, Just some more information on the Bruce Weiner Microcar Museum. Early last year he auctioned off all of his microcars (and collector items): Events Results - The Bruce Weiner Microcar Museum 2013 | Classic Car Auctions | RM AUCTIONS He also sold a 1973 240Z at the auction: 1973 Datsun 240Z | The Bruce Weiner Microcar Museum 2013 | RM AUCTIONS It was interesting to read that Bruce Weiner's first car was a 240Z: "One of those high school boys was Bruce Weiner, who had a 240Z as his first car. Like most car guys, he remembered his first car fondly, and years later, he sought out one for its replacement. In typical fashion, he found the best example possible, the wonderful original car offered here. It continues to wear the paint, interior upholstery, and trim with which it was delivered with from the factory. Over $8,000 was spent making the car perfect, including installing new tires, and having a Datsun specialist go over the car from top to bottom to make sure that it was fully mechanically sorted. Detailed to the nines, this is the 240Z you pined for back in 1973." The museum website says the museum is "Now Closed to the General Public as everything was sold at Auction February 2013. Check back Fall 2014 for something new!" I don't know what this means, but boy those little cars are worth a lot of money! Robert S.

Good catch Jim! This must be the museum where the Z is currently located: The Bruce Weiner Microcar Museum microcars, bmw isetta, messerschmitt, messerschmidt, kr200, micro cars There are some microcars in the background of the Ebay photos and "Bruce" is the contact provided in the ad. Robert S.

Bart, This a fine example of a Series II car. I thought this part of the description was funny: "The car has some rare options, including factory/dealer installed air conditioning (still blows ice cold), Fenton mag wheels, rear window defroster, floor mats, and seek/scan radio." The rear window defroster and AM radio were standard features, and the other options wouldn't be considered rare in today's market. However, it's probably rare to find 43 year old ARA AC that still works! It will be interesting to see what this car sells for and I also enjoyed seeing the other beautiful cars in the photos! Robert S.

And what about the Enkei Paramount's? Anyone up for a game of "Wheel of Fortune"? http://kyushashoes.com/wp-content/gallery/kyusha-wheels/Enkei-Paramount.jpg Robert S.

Jeff, I've been folllowing the progress of your new Z and appreciate the level of detail you've put into the improvements! I bought a Series I ash tray from the same place as your heater control panel. Originally they didn't want to ship parts, but seeing your response on Facebook prompted me to inquire about shipping again. Thankfully they were able to send me a nice ash tray and I can finally stop looking for a replacement. Keep up the great work! Robert S.

I really enjoyed this discussion spurred on by the sale of another Vintage Z. This is the first Vintage Z I've seen for sale since I was introduced to the early Z's. Even though the Vintage Z's are not completely accurate in terms of originality, they showcase a high level of restoration that many of us aspire to reach with our cars. Obviously the Vintage Z's are in a special class of their own and help to preserve the heritage of a great car, but it's also our individual and collective efforts that will help preserve this car for future generations. Again, great discussion! Robert S.

Even though the Roadkill 240Z is rusted, it has less rust damage than my 1971 240Z. It seems to be a common occurrence that moderately rusted 240Z's get scrapped out West, while they are getting harder to find in the Midwest (and beyond). 4 years ago you could locate quite a few 240Z's for sale on Craigslist in Iowa and the surrounding states. This summer I've seen maybe half a dozen for sale in the same region. The same has been true for 240Z parts in this area, which are now harder to locate. Hopefully this is a sign that the value of the cars will continue to increase. Robert S.

Carl Beck added this car (HLS30-04295) to the Vintage Z Register this month: IZCC Vintage Z Car Register (CZCR) Robert S.

This is a beautiful car! I'd love to own one of the Vintage Z's someday, but that's way out of my budget! I'm going to contact Jim Frederick just in case he wants to add another Vintage Z to his Z Mecca collection. Robert S.

Chris, I understand your position, especially since you don't have the space or money to properly restore the car. My early Series II has more rust damage than this car, but I'm in this project for the long haul. Since I'm generally in favor of saving all of the 240Z's (within reason), perhaps you can find someone else that has the means to restore the car. If you decide to part her out, I'm sure the parts will help keep other cars on the road! Robert S.

I look at the recent items for sale that show up on the side banners, but I don't navigate to the classifieds to search very often. I do like seeing the recent cars that are for sale. I'm also not really looking for parts to buy, but I was able to find the car I purchased 2 years ago from the classifieds. I posted a wanted ad and after several months got a response from the previoius owner of my car. Out of coincidence (or maybe fate), he checked the wanted ads and he decided to contact me. Robert S.

Guys, I've been researching some VIN's and tried to load the Z Car Registry from Edit Grid. From the previous discussion here, it sounds like Edit Grid may be down? I was able to get the information I needed from the saved copies supplied above, but wondered if there are any status updates to the registry? This has certainly been a valuable tool. Robert S.

I found the orginal photos from the Joplin, MO Craigslist ad dating back to November 2011. Notice the asking price was $2500 in the ad: 1970 Datsun 240Z first year first month of production sales clean title never wrecked extra transmission parts good car for a restore matching numbers car $2500 O.B.O. CALL IF INTERESTED Robert S.

Pheng, Just from the few photos you posted, this car looks like it's worth $2500 to $3000, considering it has very little rust. Since the car isn't in running condition due to the clutch and brakes, I would try to negotiate the price closer to $2500. Also, this car has a Series I dash and center console, which would make it a Series II 1971. Production of the Series II ended in August 1971 and since this car is titled as a 1972, it was probably produced in mid to late 1971. To replace the Series I style dash would cost $1000 to $1500. If you have more information on the car, we can help guage a more accurate value. Robert S.

This car has been for sale on Craigslist for about 2 years and I vaguely remember he wanted a lot more for it back then. I just noticed this car has the wrong center console, so I'm sure there are more Series I parts missing. Robert S.

Bart, I see HLS30-00456 is on Carl Beck's '69 production list, so he may have some more info on the car. Restoring #456 would be a huge undertaking and it looks like the car has had some "work" done on the front end. It's also difficult to tell whether the owner has the other early Series I parts for the car. There also isn't any mention of the original engine. On the bright side, the dash appears to be in good shape! Robert S.