Everything posted by Captain Obvious
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Sudden no-spark situation
I have to ask the obvious... There's no guarantee that your new non-wobbly has everything in the exact same position as what you took out. Did you set the ignition timing back to the same point it was with your old distributor?
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The blue 510
Thanks for the help. I was just wondering about the front struts because I saw a pair for sale on craigslist not far from me.
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Yet another fuel sending unit/gauge problem! Argh!
Excellent. Glad you fixed that one. As for the old bulbs... If I had the gauge out in my hand, I'd go ahead and just replace them all.
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Yet another fuel sending unit/gauge problem! Argh!
Well the gauge design inside is deceptively simple. Two heating elements wrapped around two bi-metal strips, and a switch between the two. The circuit is simple, but the physics is complicated. First thing you be to clean the switch contacts. Carefully open them just enough to get a piece of paper between them and pull the paper around a little to scrub the contacts. Other than that, the only other thing I can think of that might be happening is a questionable connection to one of the heating element wire ends. There are four of them (two ends on each wire) and IIRC, they are soldered at the ends. Maybe one of those solder joints is failing, or maybe one of the wires is failing right at the joint.
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The blue 510
Nice progress! Looking at your previous pics... Do you have any idea if the 510 and Z's used the same basic front strut assemblies? They look pretty similar. The 510 doesn't have the tab for the flexible brake line, but other than that? Do you know if they shared the same springs?
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Yet another fuel sending unit/gauge problem! Argh!
All of the gauges will move around a little bit by design (that's the compensation feature I mentioned above), but they should not move around much. If everything is working properly, you can see the needles wiggling around a little if you're really looking for it, but if you're not really watching for it you shouldn't notice it. It certainly shouldn't move around by an eighth of full scale. And when you ground the yellow wire back at the sending unit, the gauge is supposed to shoot up to "F" and stay there. Solid. Have you put your meter on the Yellow/Red feed wire from the fuse box right at the gauge? Is the voltage solid steady there. And to answer your question above, I do not know where or how they make that transition from the green wire at the fuse box to the Y/R by the time it gets to the gauges. I suspect it's done inside the harness. Skipping to the end of the story... It sounds like there is an internal problem with your fuel gauge. You could pick up a spare and give it a try? To answer your question about how much current goes through the gauge for the different readings, here's something I whipped up for a later year. No guarantee that the numbers are the same for your 72, but I suspect they are. This is sender unit Ohms vs needle position:
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Yet another fuel sending unit/gauge problem! Argh!
Is it just the gas gauge, or do you see the same thing in the temp and oil pressure? Also, when you say it moves up and down,... is it regular and continuous, or is it sorta random and happens every now and then?
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Yet another fuel sending unit/gauge problem! Argh!
That's normal. The gauges internally modulate the voltages to the sender units. They do that to compensate for ambient temperature and system voltage.
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1977 280z prepup for smog check
Yes, the carbon monoxide percent is measured with a special meter. It sounds like you're doing pretty good. The only thing that you might still have to investigate is your idle speed and the position of your idle screw. If that screw is all the way down and you're still idling at 1000-1200, it's an indication that you've got vacuum leak(s) somewhere. I suspect it's a bunch of little leaks spread throughout the system. Rubber boots, small cracks in hoses, injector seals, throttle body and intake manifold gasket, etc. However, at this point, if it runs good and doesn't stink, you might consider taking it in for a pre-test so you know what you're dealing with. Who knows... If you've got some small vacuum leaks and you would be running a rich idle without them, maybe they'll cancel each other out and you might even pass.
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Sudden no-spark situation
So infinite resistance across the pick-up coil? If that's the case, then it certainly does sound like your pick-up is dead. Carry on, and sorry for the distraction!
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Sudden no-spark situation
Reluctor wheel grinding against the pickup face is never a good thing, but before you convince yourself that the pickup is dead, you need to ditch the "continuity" reading on your meter and use Ohms. The spec from the FSM is 720 Ohms. I don't know if that's high enough of a resistance that the "continuity" scale on your meter might not pick that up. In other words, the pickup coil could be just fine but resistance of the coil may be high enough that your meter won't consider it a connection (and won't beep on continuity).
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Help. Ignition switch or something else?
Cool. Hope that keeps the gremlins away. And if it does come back, think of it as an opportunity to find and put a stake it for good. Haha! So remote electrical troubleshooting over the internets is always questionable. But from here, it really sounds like a poor connection in the main power branch of the car... Battery terminals and cables, starter wiring, fusible links, shunt assembly, some big ground connection near the battery... Something like that. Not the ignition switch. Hoping you already took care of it and you're good to go!
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Help. Ignition switch or something else?
Right. One of them (the big one) goes to the starter, and the other one powers the EFI system (and only the EFI system). The rest of the car (everything except the EFI) is powered off the white wire is connected to the other end of that big (+) battery wire down on the starter.* Next time it happens, wiggle stuff around and see if you can pinpoint where the issue is. Battery terminals up on the battery. Other end of the (+) wire down at the starter. Wiggle the fusible links. Wiggle the body ground wire next to the battery below the wiper connector. Happy hunting, and here's hoping you find it. * Want proof? Disconnect that EFI spade connector and then turn the headlights on. They should light up. Then try to start the car. The starter will turn the engine over, but it won't start.
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Help. Ignition switch or something else?
Glad you're out of the woods for now but I'm not sure that was really the root cause. I think the corroded connector you found is the fusible link for the EFI system (and only the EFI system). If that's the case, it could account for the car cranking fine but not starting. Corrosion there wouldn't account for the rest of the symptoms you had. I'm thinking that while messing around up by the battery and cleaning that connector, you bumped whatever really WAS causing the issue. Hope not, but it might come back.
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Help. Ignition switch or something else?
First thing to try... Clean your battery terminals.
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Coolant Temp/Thermotime Switch Wire Colors?
And the point of the snippet I posted is to show the inconclusiveness of the wire colors on the sensor side of the little stub harnesses. The pic Zed Head posted has black for everything in those little harnesses, but the one I posted has black for one sensor and green for the other. That's why I was saying the colors on the main harness seem to be well defined, but on the sensor side, those little foot long harness extensions are ambiguous.
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Coolant Temp/Thermotime Switch Wire Colors?
I took another look just to make sure I saw what I saw... Here's a snippet from another FSM. Supposedly for a 77. "B" is black and "G" is green:
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Pin Extractor for Round Pins
Yeah, I forced some of that stuff together too and tried to convince myself it was good enough. And then I bough the Yazaki stuff. Haha!! Sorry about the lack of extractor pics. Completely forgot.
- 1976 280Z Restoration Project
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Coolant Temp/Thermotime Switch Wire Colors?
On the main EFI harness, the black wires go to the temp sensor and the green ones go to the thermotime. ON THE MAIN HARNESS. As for the little stub harnesses that connect to the main harness and convert from bullet to EFI style connectors, I'm not positive of the wire colors*. One wiring diagram I have indicates that those same wire colors were continued all the way to the thermostat housing (pair of blacks to the temp sensor and pair of greens to the thermotime), but another FSM diagram I have indicates everything past the bullet connectors is black. So as for the stubs... I'm not so sure. But of course, since they're just a foot long, you can easily verify the connections just by tracing the stubs back to the main harness. * And I can't check my 77 as my stubs have been remade and aren't original colors anymore.
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Which Header?
THANK you!!! I was beginning to think that nobody got that at all!!
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Pin Extractor for Round Pins
I made (surprised?) my own extractor tools for those connectors. I'll take a pic and post next time I'm in the shop. You think the male pins are difficult? Just wait till you try to take one of the female receptacles out! And you're also trying to mate new parts with those? If so, there's nothing from Molex or Tyco that is going to work. Everything is the wrong size. You're going to have to spring for the Yazaki originals. I got mine from CycleTerminal >>> http://www.cycleterminal.com/yazaki-ypc.html And note that they have extractor tools for those contacts... Just $58 for the set! I believe Eastern Beaver has these too, but I didn't have enough of an order to warrant overseas shipping. If you're going to put an order in (from either place), let me know and maybe I can add on a little bit. Since you're working with headlights... Are you looking for the big contact too, or just the small one (like the ones you pictured above)?
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Which Header?
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1977 280z lean in 4,5,6 rich on 1,2,3
And as you mentioned, you might pass smog the way it is. I don't know the details.
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1977 280z lean in 4,5,6 rich on 1,2,3
Hmmm.... On the fuel injected cars, the only thing that is really split 1-2-3 and 4-5-6 is the ECU. Everything else is pretty much shared evenly between all the cylinders. If you really think you've got an issue that is split like that, you could try swapping a couple of the injector wires. I think some of the wires have enough slack in them that you can move them around. I'm thinking you could swap the wires going to 3 and 4 to see what happens. If you swap 3 - 4 and then find that your sooty plug follows the injector connector, then you might want to look into a different ECU. Clean up those plugs, swap the wires, and drive around for a little bit and then pull the plugs again to see what they look like?