Everything posted by Captain Obvious
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The blue 510
Nice progress! Looking at your previous pics... Do you have any idea if the 510 and Z's used the same basic front strut assemblies? They look pretty similar. The 510 doesn't have the tab for the flexible brake line, but other than that? Do you know if they shared the same springs?
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Yet another fuel sending unit/gauge problem! Argh!
All of the gauges will move around a little bit by design (that's the compensation feature I mentioned above), but they should not move around much. If everything is working properly, you can see the needles wiggling around a little if you're really looking for it, but if you're not really watching for it you shouldn't notice it. It certainly shouldn't move around by an eighth of full scale. And when you ground the yellow wire back at the sending unit, the gauge is supposed to shoot up to "F" and stay there. Solid. Have you put your meter on the Yellow/Red feed wire from the fuse box right at the gauge? Is the voltage solid steady there. And to answer your question above, I do not know where or how they make that transition from the green wire at the fuse box to the Y/R by the time it gets to the gauges. I suspect it's done inside the harness. Skipping to the end of the story... It sounds like there is an internal problem with your fuel gauge. You could pick up a spare and give it a try? To answer your question about how much current goes through the gauge for the different readings, here's something I whipped up for a later year. No guarantee that the numbers are the same for your 72, but I suspect they are. This is sender unit Ohms vs needle position:
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Yet another fuel sending unit/gauge problem! Argh!
Is it just the gas gauge, or do you see the same thing in the temp and oil pressure? Also, when you say it moves up and down,... is it regular and continuous, or is it sorta random and happens every now and then?
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Yet another fuel sending unit/gauge problem! Argh!
That's normal. The gauges internally modulate the voltages to the sender units. They do that to compensate for ambient temperature and system voltage.
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1977 280z prepup for smog check
Yes, the carbon monoxide percent is measured with a special meter. It sounds like you're doing pretty good. The only thing that you might still have to investigate is your idle speed and the position of your idle screw. If that screw is all the way down and you're still idling at 1000-1200, it's an indication that you've got vacuum leak(s) somewhere. I suspect it's a bunch of little leaks spread throughout the system. Rubber boots, small cracks in hoses, injector seals, throttle body and intake manifold gasket, etc. However, at this point, if it runs good and doesn't stink, you might consider taking it in for a pre-test so you know what you're dealing with. Who knows... If you've got some small vacuum leaks and you would be running a rich idle without them, maybe they'll cancel each other out and you might even pass.
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Sudden no-spark situation
So infinite resistance across the pick-up coil? If that's the case, then it certainly does sound like your pick-up is dead. Carry on, and sorry for the distraction!
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Sudden no-spark situation
Reluctor wheel grinding against the pickup face is never a good thing, but before you convince yourself that the pickup is dead, you need to ditch the "continuity" reading on your meter and use Ohms. The spec from the FSM is 720 Ohms. I don't know if that's high enough of a resistance that the "continuity" scale on your meter might not pick that up. In other words, the pickup coil could be just fine but resistance of the coil may be high enough that your meter won't consider it a connection (and won't beep on continuity).
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Help. Ignition switch or something else?
Cool. Hope that keeps the gremlins away. And if it does come back, think of it as an opportunity to find and put a stake it for good. Haha! So remote electrical troubleshooting over the internets is always questionable. But from here, it really sounds like a poor connection in the main power branch of the car... Battery terminals and cables, starter wiring, fusible links, shunt assembly, some big ground connection near the battery... Something like that. Not the ignition switch. Hoping you already took care of it and you're good to go!
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Help. Ignition switch or something else?
Right. One of them (the big one) goes to the starter, and the other one powers the EFI system (and only the EFI system). The rest of the car (everything except the EFI) is powered off the white wire is connected to the other end of that big (+) battery wire down on the starter.* Next time it happens, wiggle stuff around and see if you can pinpoint where the issue is. Battery terminals up on the battery. Other end of the (+) wire down at the starter. Wiggle the fusible links. Wiggle the body ground wire next to the battery below the wiper connector. Happy hunting, and here's hoping you find it. * Want proof? Disconnect that EFI spade connector and then turn the headlights on. They should light up. Then try to start the car. The starter will turn the engine over, but it won't start.
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Help. Ignition switch or something else?
Glad you're out of the woods for now but I'm not sure that was really the root cause. I think the corroded connector you found is the fusible link for the EFI system (and only the EFI system). If that's the case, it could account for the car cranking fine but not starting. Corrosion there wouldn't account for the rest of the symptoms you had. I'm thinking that while messing around up by the battery and cleaning that connector, you bumped whatever really WAS causing the issue. Hope not, but it might come back.
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Help. Ignition switch or something else?
First thing to try... Clean your battery terminals.
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Coolant Temp/Thermotime Switch Wire Colors?
And the point of the snippet I posted is to show the inconclusiveness of the wire colors on the sensor side of the little stub harnesses. The pic Zed Head posted has black for everything in those little harnesses, but the one I posted has black for one sensor and green for the other. That's why I was saying the colors on the main harness seem to be well defined, but on the sensor side, those little foot long harness extensions are ambiguous.
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Coolant Temp/Thermotime Switch Wire Colors?
I took another look just to make sure I saw what I saw... Here's a snippet from another FSM. Supposedly for a 77. "B" is black and "G" is green:
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Pin Extractor for Round Pins
Yeah, I forced some of that stuff together too and tried to convince myself it was good enough. And then I bough the Yazaki stuff. Haha!! Sorry about the lack of extractor pics. Completely forgot.
- 1976 280Z Restoration Project
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Coolant Temp/Thermotime Switch Wire Colors?
On the main EFI harness, the black wires go to the temp sensor and the green ones go to the thermotime. ON THE MAIN HARNESS. As for the little stub harnesses that connect to the main harness and convert from bullet to EFI style connectors, I'm not positive of the wire colors*. One wiring diagram I have indicates that those same wire colors were continued all the way to the thermostat housing (pair of blacks to the temp sensor and pair of greens to the thermotime), but another FSM diagram I have indicates everything past the bullet connectors is black. So as for the stubs... I'm not so sure. But of course, since they're just a foot long, you can easily verify the connections just by tracing the stubs back to the main harness. * And I can't check my 77 as my stubs have been remade and aren't original colors anymore.
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Which Header?
THANK you!!! I was beginning to think that nobody got that at all!!
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Pin Extractor for Round Pins
I made (surprised?) my own extractor tools for those connectors. I'll take a pic and post next time I'm in the shop. You think the male pins are difficult? Just wait till you try to take one of the female receptacles out! And you're also trying to mate new parts with those? If so, there's nothing from Molex or Tyco that is going to work. Everything is the wrong size. You're going to have to spring for the Yazaki originals. I got mine from CycleTerminal >>> http://www.cycleterminal.com/yazaki-ypc.html And note that they have extractor tools for those contacts... Just $58 for the set! I believe Eastern Beaver has these too, but I didn't have enough of an order to warrant overseas shipping. If you're going to put an order in (from either place), let me know and maybe I can add on a little bit. Since you're working with headlights... Are you looking for the big contact too, or just the small one (like the ones you pictured above)?
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Which Header?
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1977 280z lean in 4,5,6 rich on 1,2,3
And as you mentioned, you might pass smog the way it is. I don't know the details.
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1977 280z lean in 4,5,6 rich on 1,2,3
Hmmm.... On the fuel injected cars, the only thing that is really split 1-2-3 and 4-5-6 is the ECU. Everything else is pretty much shared evenly between all the cylinders. If you really think you've got an issue that is split like that, you could try swapping a couple of the injector wires. I think some of the wires have enough slack in them that you can move them around. I'm thinking you could swap the wires going to 3 and 4 to see what happens. If you swap 3 - 4 and then find that your sooty plug follows the injector connector, then you might want to look into a different ECU. Clean up those plugs, swap the wires, and drive around for a little bit and then pull the plugs again to see what they look like?
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280Z Parking Light Circuit
Glad to help. And of course, but some of the potential culprits may depend on the year you're working on. For example, (quick look at some of the wiring diagrams indicate that) 75 and 76 have a connector (C-2) between the fuse and the multifunction switch, while 77 and 78 do not. So if you're working on a 75 or 76, that connector may be corroded as well. But basically... Yeah. I would first start by putting a meter on both sides of the fuse and see what happens when you turn the switch on. Both sides should be solid battery voltage regardless of the switch position. And then work your way downstream from there if the problem isn't the fuse itself. Also, I'm assuming the fusible link and wiring to the "high side" of all the fuses is good or you would have mentioned a whole host of other electrical issues. I'm assuming this problem is relatively isolated to the lights. I mean, if you had a problem with the fusible link, it would show up in a whoooooole bunch of other areas as well. If everything else pretty much works, you ought to be able to start at the fuse box and work your way down from there.
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Voltage/ Resistance for Coil and Ballast Resistor 1971 240z
Excellent. Not that it really matters, but I'm unclear on what Jeff meant by "it was the wires in the distributor", but like I said, doesn't really matter. I'm just glad you're fixed. And looking forward.... I'm gonna be no help whatsoever on any paint questions. Man's got to know his limitations.
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280Z Parking Light Circuit
First of all, I got no problem whatsoever with this: License plate bulbs (two), the remaining marker light, bunch of dash lights, glove box, cigarette lighter, ash tray.... Probably others. All in parallel? I got no problem with a couple Ohms to ground on the G/W. As for the readings you're seeing on the switch... I'm thinking you've got a high impedance connection somewhere upstream in that G/L wire. When the switch is in the OFF position and there is nothing connected to drag the G/L wire down, it floats up to battery voltage and looks good. But as soon as you turn the switch on, all those filaments in parallel will drag that high impedance source to ground. I'm guaranteeing that there IS current flowing. Just not enough for your home wiring style clamp-on meter to detect. So I'm thinking that's the issue. Finding it is a different story. Fuse that looks good, but isn't really? Barely holding on by a tiny sliver of metal inside? End caps that have been overheated and mostly de-soldered themselves? Corrosion on the fuse clips? Corrosion in the headlight switch? (Unlikely because you would have probably seen that while you were messing with the switch). Solder joint on the back of the switch that looks good, but really isn't. (I've never seen you solder. LOL) Anyway, happy hunting.
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Voltage/ Resistance for Coil and Ballast Resistor 1971 240z
Glad you got it sorted! Enjoy the ride!