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Hi Alan,great informations,they are very interesting. I just want to tell everybody here,Alan's explanation is perfect.I always get frustrated with my poor english.What a good thing is Alan can explain perfectly which I want to say in english.His understanding of Japanese Z community and Japanese books and more are just like ordinary Japanese people,like me and my friends. And I must say this,I and my all Japanese Z friends are so impressed with Alan's amazing knowledge about hole Z, not only Z, skyline and Prince etc... I have never seen such a amazing knowledge in Japanese Z enthusiast. Thank you, kats P.S.Alan,I tried to send PM but it was rejected.Did you get my PM in your another adress?

Thank you every one, but Enigma,let me think about what is funny. I need to know what is a good point making you laugh! kats

I have got this in Japan. I see this sometimes in Japanese auction but I have never seen in Ebay,I do not know why. In this catalog,240Zs are 1970 model.But not so early,badges are white inlet Z. I think this catalog is for LHD 240Z,not specified for the U.S. General LHD catalog? Note the engine bay picture,this engine must be early.Different steel fuel pipes and rubber hoses to the carbs,and surprising blue aircleaner.The body seems to me red,I believe this car is a same car which is used as a examnple in the first service manual and a broughchure featuring a red non-badged car. kats

Hello, These are all late 1969 issued books and some. #1 Nov 1969 USA & CANADA parts catalog #2 Nov 1969 RHD parts catalog(rivised Dec 1970) #3 1st Nov 1969 S30 chassis & body (note 3 holes) #4 1st Nov 1969 L20A/L24 engine (note 3 holes) #5 25th Nov 1969 slide narration for maintainance #6 20th Dec 1969 owners manual #7 copyright 1969 brouchure #8 For release PM's Wednesday,October 22,1969 "1970 press introduction" (two 240Z photos) #9 For release PM's Wednesday,October 22,1969 "1970 press introduction" (one 240Z photo,it has got a brief comment seet according to Road & Track and dated "For immediate release Jan 19,1970") P.S. What does "PM's Wednesday" mean? Afternoon of that day? Thank you, kats

Chris,this is a famillier large version of Fairlady-Z parts catalog. It was on Yahoo japan auction and sold yesterday aprrox.$380 U.S. it is a good price in Japan.Everything expensive in Japan,totaly restored Z432 is like $80000 U.S. kats

Thank you everyone,I made a good purchase. Alan gave me a homework,I am willing to learn everything related S30. The RHD manual arrived and I am very happy it is a very good condition. This is a FIRST OVERALL RIVISED edition,and it says 4th rivision from the bigining dated DEC 1970.I think the blue huge binder must be made in Nov 1969 as a first edition,other contents are all rivised DEC 1970 including a rivision info card which is in a side plastic pocket.A page for interior color trim instruction is dated Dec 1969,this proves the manual is revised collectly as instructed,this page is an only one should be remained from the begining. I have a LHD Nov 1969 issued manual,it has got 1st and 2nd rivision with an original master edition.What is an amazing thing is they all exist no missing page,I mean there are Nov 1969 originals and Mar 1970 1st rivision and June 1970 2nd rivision.It is a fun to see the differences between them. My question of steering lock has just got an answer!The RHD early 240Z has a WASO key and steering lock is different from the early JDM and LHD.I was expecting it and I see the part number for it. It syas three color of trims black and tan and blue,but I have never seen blue trims in RHD 240Z.Has anyone seen it? kats

Hello everyone, I am kats and I am datsunz903 in Ebay. Of cource I want to buy items as inexpensive as I can,$560 is very very expensive and I am afraid my wife will know it soon and she will get angly with it.But I do not normaly have enough time to enjoy the bidding in front of a computer.I have to bid in early stage and just see how the auction goes. Every time I find a nice item which I am looking for a long time,I think again and again,is it an once in a life time item?If I think so,then put my maximam amount which I am willing to pay.I know my maximam is crazy,but I want to get it. This parts catalog is not a frequent item on Ebay.That is why I put that amount.I I have a same size same condition U.S. & CANADA Nov.1969 version like Mike B and Chris mentioned.I can not say how much I paid for it(if I tell you, you will get heart attack) I paid XXX times more of this RHD version.Yes I am crazy,but you know how much I was excited when I happned to see it and I managed to buy it from previous owner.I am still very very happy to have it,and I feel I was right to pay big money because I have never had a chance to buy this catalog and like this condition once again past 6 years.I made a good decision to pay huge money to get it.It is just a book, but for me,it is more than a book. I need to know about RHD 240Z.It is nessesaly to know my U.S. 240Z more and more.Also about Fairlady-Z,I bought a parts catalog of Fairlady-Z.Some times I can find a fact of U.S. 240Z in the Fiarlady-Z 's parts catalog.I am assuming same thing in the RHD 240Z parts catalog. Attached photos are my collection.The small white one is a unique tiny Fiarlady-Z's catalog.For JDM,there are some kinds of size for the parts catalog.A big one and this small one.Both are the same contents,small one has exactly same pictures and parts number listings. For example,we(U.S. 240Z) can not buy sepalately 1969-70 tailgate air vent duct fittings.But look into Fairlady-Z catalog,there are individual parts number for the duct fittings.For some parts,this theory is vise versa. Thank you, kats

Hello, I visited an old car shop is selling Bellett parts,I found 2 mirrors.I noticed they are interchangeable to Z,the bracket is slightly different.I can easily apply them to Z.Just screw off from the bracket then apply Z's bracket. Bellett mirror is made by same manufacture in Japan.I guess these 2 red dot mirrors were applied same time range like from late 1960's to early 1970's. kats

Thank you Arne, I should say "I saw 3-mirrors today at Isuzu vintage motor shop near my house".Yes you right,I could not see any red dot mirror from that. I should post this topic at http://www.classiczcars.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8383&highlight=red+dot+mirror Please see pictures of "Bellett mirror" kats

Hello, This thread need to keep up,I am sorry for all the members here. Joseph,"U 08" is unique.I can not imagine the date for it.Could you post a picture here?Let's see how it looks. 240ZX,there are 29 HLS30s between your 240Z and mine.I hope someday we all can see the data of build date and colors applied. kats

Thank you Arne, 04/71 will be the key,seems to me that date will be the last for "long leg"? More details about the trim! Chris,great found! About a red dot,I found another Japanese car "ISUZU Bellett" used red dot mirror.I saw 3 Bellett have red dot mirror today but the bracket is completely different.Does the car exist in the U.S. ? kats

Hello, Chris,I did not know the pattern of strut trim.I will check my 03/70 blue interior.Mine is not replaced,original trim since roll out from the factory.Nowadays it starts crack itself little bit. Today I would like to discuss about inside mirror,I think there are three stage. Stage 1/ with a red dot for day driving and a beautiful "tapered long leg" for the bracket.And you can see "EVER WING" on the face.However,this mirror was manufactured by "IKI" (you can see this inside of hub caps and some other parts) we can veryfy this in the japanese service builltein. Just as a refference, http://www.classiczcars.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8383&highlight=red+dot+mirror Stage 2/ with a sun and a star simbol for day and night,also a beautiful "tapered long leg"And also you can see "EVER WING" on the face. AS I said before,Mar/1970 owners manual instructed turn a sun mark for day driving,according to this manual,my 03/70 car will have Stage 2 mirror.But as usual,there must be time difference.My car could have a red dot? If we can gather data as much as we can,we will reach the answer soon. Stage 3/ with a sun and a star simbol and a "very short leg" for the bracket which we now can buy new from Nissan and many surpliers.You can see "IKI" on the face. So,some one said "red dot club" I like that,red dot club will be only for a 1969 build car. But how about "tapered long leg club",I think that club will be for 1970 to early 1971 car. I have seen a mid 1971 car(with a choke knob and a blank plate for a throttle knob/but non-airvent grilles for a rear hatch) has "tapered long leg" I do not know when "very short leg" mirror came out.I have only confirmed NOV 1971 240Z instaled "very short leg" from the factory press photo. Thank you, kats P.S. Courtesy Mr.moby**** for the left photo/Mr.Watanabe for the middle photo.The right one is mine.

Hello, Like Chris siad,I see this quite some times in Japanese auction.Please see this, http://page9.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/k34893503 do not be surprised the starting bid,it is normal price in Japan.And this item has been showed up again and again.Why nobody buy it? I think it is just not attracitive/rare item for japanese people.If the starting bid is way low,maybe some one bid. I am curious about these optional items(tinted and defroster).How many people did not choose these items?I think it could be non-defroster 1970-197? 240Z in the U.S. And how the dealer service man replace these parts for the brand-new 240zs?Was the labor easy or not?Where did these trash windscreens(also how about hub caps?) go? kats

Thank you sakijo, I was stupid making a careless mistake.Here is correct one, ----------------------------------------------------- May 1969 - total 2 cars - one domestic, one export: 1 = S30-00001 (Factory prototype 1) 2 = HLS30-00001 (Factory prototype 2) June 1969 - total 1 car - domestic: 3 = PS30-00001 (Factory prototype 3) July 1969 - total 4 cars - two domestic, two export: 4 = HLS30-00002 (Primary Production prototype 1) 5 = S30-00002 (Primary Production prototype 2) 6 = PS30-00002 (Primary Production prototype 3) 7 = HS30-00001 (Primary Production prototype 4) August 1969 - total 7 cars: 8 = S30-00003 (Primary Production prototype 5) 9 = S30-00004 (Primary Production prototype 6) 10 = S30-00005 (Primary Production prototype 7) 11 = PS30-00003 (Primary Production prototype 8) 12 = HLS30-00003 (Primary Production prototype 9) 13 = S30-00006 (Primary Production prototype 10) 14 = PS30-00004 (Primary Production prototype 11) -------------------------------------------------------- And I am still feeling some uneasy to discrib like "Primary" and "Secondy".To read Japanese words from the data sheet,I think it only means "first groupe" and "second groupe".So,please think very simple about it,there might be no special meanings for them. Alan is the best man to interprit these factory terminology. kats

Hello, I am also very interested in the early hubcaps.6 years ago,I started own my this 240Z and I was only able to have Japanese caps "center hexagonal mark" insted of "D",so I put custom D by myself with a dubble side tape.At the LASVEGAS convention,the judges were confused the caps looks original but not exactly original... I post these caps before,they came from Mr.Matsuo(Chief designer of first genaration Z).Actually they were NOS in 2004,they had not seen the sun light 34 years.I put them for the convention in Long Beach for the second time to attend for me.They sat in Mr.Matsuo's garage with some parts,over riders /antennas/ radios which I have got from Mr.Matsuo. Ebay NOS/Mint condition caps are mostly later version,tabs are different from the early one which I have got. How much will it be if I list these Mint/early caps from Mr.Matsuo? But of cource I never never sell them to any one if I die!! kats

Hello everyone, I am very sorry for kept you waiting.Now I post an answer of the question. ----------------------------------------------------------- May 1969 - total 2 cars - one domestic, one export: 1 = S30-00001 (Factory prototype 1) 2 = HLS30-00001 (Factory prototype 2) June 1969 - total 1 car - domestic: 3 = PS30-00001 (Factory prototype 3) July 1969 - total 4 cars - two domestic, two export: 4 = HS30-00002 (Primary Production prototype 1) 5 = S30-00002 (Primary Production prototype 2) 6 = PS30-00002 (Primary Production prototype 3) 7 = HS30-00001 (Primary Production prototype 4) August 1969 - total 7 cars: 8 = S30-00003 (Primary Production prototype 5) 9 = S30-00004 (Primary Production prototype 6) 10 = S30-00005 (Primary Production prototype 7) 11 = PS30-00003 (Primary Production prototype 8) 12 = HLS30-00003 (Primary Production prototype 9) 13 = S30-00006 (Primary Production prototype 10) 14 = PS30-00004 (Primary Production prototype 11) ---------------------------------------------------- So,Alan and Chris, both of you were very close!!I was very surprised about your logical imagination. Alan and Chris can share the rally clock half each!!Sorry I only have one clock. I was not enough for the explanation about Factory prototype and Production prototype.The data shet said,The First 3 cars were Factory prototype and they HAVE serial(VIN) number.Primary Production prototype started from No.1 ~ was folloing their serial(VIN) number from the Factory prototype. It siad,"After these cars,there will be Secondary Production prototype". So,I think from 15th car,they must be Secondary Production prototype and we do not know which car was following,DOMES or EXPORT. Anyway,according to Jan 1970 issued Japanese car magazine,it said there were 33 cars for Primary and Secondary production prototype.So,we can do 33 minus 11 = 22 cars for the Secondary production prototype. I review the magazine today with the data I have got,I found the mgazine said some interesting things. "Totaly 61 cars were prototypes, 25 cars were Plan-Design prototype for stage 1/2/3(I think NO- VIN) 3 cars were Factory prototype for 3 types(did not say S30 or HS or..) 33 cars were Primary/Secondary production prototype" Thank you, kats

It is a very sad news,54 years old is too fast to pass away. Carl gave me a lot of good replies when I post here,thank you very much. I am now looking back these old thread to know what you told me. May you rest in peace Carl, kats

Good afternoon Chris, Thank you!!please nail it down and get the NOS rally clock from me. I made a big mistake about LEFT and RIGHT.I could not make it before you quote my last post. 330mm to the LEFT,350mm to the RIGHT. Yes,14 cars with each duty and belongs to what section and seaquencial order for them.Remember,there are 4 kinds of Zs.S30,HLS30,PS30,HS30. kats

Thank you Alan,Bryan. And thank you everyone who posted here.Also who are watching here. The data sheet comes with a supplement.There is a figure showing where the VIN shold be stamped on the firewall.It said 330mm to the LEFT from the datum line(center of coronal plane) for S30,PS30,HS30.Then 350mm to the RIGHT for HLS30.For all of them,VIN number should be 5 numbers,like S30-XXXXX and its width including prefix should be 130mm. I measured mine,yes, approximatetly 350mm,but the width is only 75mm anyway. One thing is interesting,all the first car(S30-00001,HLS30-00001,PS30-00001,HS30-00001) was born to be a test running car,the sheet says. At this point on 25th JUN 1969,the sheet says only 3 cars rolled out from the factory,(so cross-reff with another data,we can easily find the other cars were still on the assembly line).But there is a assignment of duty for each car, which should surposed to be used for registration/ for press/for an examine of the factory/e.t.c. Totally there are 14 cars listed on the sheet. There is a question for you, #1 what are those car's VIN?what is a sequencial order of 14 cars?(I say again there might be a difference between the VIN and the results of roll out order.But the factory set the sequencial order for those 14 cars anyway.) If you nail it down,I will give you my NOS 1969-1972 rally-clock. kats

Thank you Alan, I am glad that you enjoyed it very much.To be honest with you,I was not for sure about your saying "1969 RHD 240Z".Everytime I think about the red,very low VIN HS30 we know,with regard your saying,why there were big time differences between HS30-00001 and 00034.The 00034 has many parts which were applied in early to mid 1970.There were only aproximately thirty cars between them,that is why I was not for sure HS30-00001 was made in 1969. I think Carl just needs amend his website, just a little work, Alan. Some people may think I am a weathercock,but I do not think I am a kind of man.I just want everybody to enjoy this topic.Hey,today is my Birthday:) I will tell all of you about much detail later,but for now,I just want to put this. The data sheet got published date "25th JUN 1969" just a week after when I was born. Thank you, kats

Thank you very much Bob,Mike. I need good advices just like yours.I keep them in my mind. And I want to make sure for all of you this,I did not invade into the factory nor steal the data sheet.This is true!!I said I am hegitating to show and I can not say where I have got.But it does not mean I stole:love: There is a complicated reason for this. kats

Hi everyone, Alan,thank you for re-engaging!!That is right,the two test cars(round trip in the U.S.) should be re-check their vin number.Let's see how they will be later. Now I feel most of people don't need these kind of information(about prototype cars) including me,because I do not have any prototype car nor 1969 car.This is not my business so I should be relax, just enjoy to see and imagine from the data how the cars were built in early days.I am curious how many people think this topic is attractive.For me,I do not need it,but I am very very interested in it. I need to exprain my thoughts with more detailed.I mean,I said "sequence" for S30-00001 HLS30-00001 PS30-00001.During long-life discussion,I became to think The VIN is VIN. VIN does not much exactly sequence which car is first and which car is next when cars roll-out from the factory.I can say everybody agree with it. But,this time it is a slightly different.Like these prototype,there was a sequence.The data sheet which I have got yesterday is telling it. The answer is ,No.1 is S30-00001 No.2 is HLS30-00001 No.3 is PS30-00001. The data sheet which I have posted its picture before assits this sequence so you can review my old post. The answer is,HS30-00001 was earlier than HLS30-00003.Why I asked this,I just want to tell all of you HS30-00001 was made in JUL 1969　to cross-reff with my old data. Is not this great,is it!Alan!! HLS30-00002 was also made in JUL but it is earlier than HS30-00001.HLS30-00003 was made in AUG 1969. Please tell me how everybody thinks about posting a picture of the data sheet.Of cource I wish nobody in Japan(except me) see this thread.If I post a picture,I can show you actual facts but it does have a risk of ALL-ENGINE SHUT DOWN all lights are gone, get into the darkness then we may never get futher information from the factory. If I do not post a picture,you will get frustrated and very hard to imagine due to my poor english explanation.But we are very for sure to get futher much more detailed information from the factory.I have a positive reason for this because there is a few words about REGULAR PRODUCTION CAR in the data sheet.It is very very short,only a few words but it does say "Regular production car's VIN will succeed production prototype and is going to be managed collectively by section 2010" I believe there must be "regular production car's VIN data sheet" in some place. We have got at least two data sheet so far,it is natural to expect we can get more for sure. Thank you, kats

Hello, I am very exited right now.The reason is today I have got a very important data relating 1969 very very early cars. But I am hesitating to show the actual photo of the data seat and I can't say where I have got this right now.This time it is a little bit delicate thing to show. And I need to amend my post the very first one.Please review the first page, I said "Factory prototype-KOJYO SHISAKU" was not given the VIN number.But it was not true.These cars were given VIN number,so you can see 3 cars were built from May to Jun 1969,they are S30-00001 and HLS30-00001 and PS30-00001. Here is some questions for you, #1 which car was built early between them?What was a seaquence for them? #2 Which car was built early between HS30-00001 and HLS30-00003? Thank you, kats

Hello Dan, It is a good to hear that you are keeping hard to reach your goal,seems you are climbing a high mountin but you will reach on top soon.You set a very strict aiming point,I just hatts-off for your effort.Chris is doing hard work now too,and the cars which I saw in the stock class also have been aiming the same point. My Z is no longer competition queen right now.I just want drive it,it is O.K gold plated parts is turning dirty and loosing its shine. I will post a few more pictures which I am so impressed,wait a little bit please. kats

Hello, It was a great meeting to you Chris,nice to seeing you again.But I could not have much time to talking with you,it was too bad!But talking with you about Z car at the facilty of Texas Nissan,that was very short but very interesting.We were just before the pre-briefing of the rally, eating sausages and eggs!!Please say my thanks to Rick,Jim,Fred,and other Z friends. Me and my family had so much fun,especialy my family was so impressed that the convention was great and well organized and the hospitalyty for the Japanese Z members was very nice.For my family they even could not imagine how the car guys were doing there.This time was the first time for my family to attend Z car meeting ever.For me,this time was a 3rd trip so I knew how much the convention is wonderful.I can not expect such a great convention in Japan.Our group Ultimate Z car club of Japan have been hosting a Z meeting every autumn.We can not do same thing but we do as much as possible to have fun! Dan,I thought I could meet you there,I hope meet you again some day.The stock class was very exciting for me,many nice cars especialy my interests went to 3 240Zs.The one is Bob's car and the other is Dan's(Banks) car and 1969 green Anne's car.Every 3 cars has special things to look at.I had to leave Texas before the closing banquet so I did not know who won the class.Now I agree Dan's car won the gold medalion.What the most amazing thing is,his car's weatherstrips of the inner tail gate.They are so mint,unbelievably good condition.Correct shape for the early cars and they are NLA from nissan right now I think. Anne's 1969 car is my favorite.I even did not imagine that I had a oppotunity to meet her and her Z before leaving Japan.I happened to see her car in the internet last year.Her car got a seat cushion guard for both seats!!And amazingly crean hood support rubbers for rare 1969 cars.Great story is not it,the car with her from 1970! Chris,let's talk about seat cushion guards for some time.I am ready for the mission. Best regards, kats