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Hi 26th-Z, Your post reminds me that I have got FAX message from Mr.Matsuo a few years ago.I would like to share with all of you on this site. First paper, #1 You can see the drawings of fog lumps and coat hangers.Mr.Matsuo said in this fax"...I wanted to apply Austin or Lucas type fog lump for Z(S30) like 310 410,but they are big radius and gogeous and heavy,it is tough for Z's thin bumper. So I disregarded the idea..." "...early chrome round coat hanger is from 410 (pininfarina design) .Same as 410,Z needs cost cut,so the hanger went to plastic.Next I designed a new hanger made of chrome,but it turned plastic when it applyed.I still keep proto type of this..." Second paper, #2 In the middle,you can see the audio players.They are all Mr.Matsuo made.They are all proto type.The left one is AM/FM auto tune radio and he put this proto into 240(Mr.Matsuo said 240Z,not Z or S30 anyway) This prototype unit is exist still now,and Mr.Matsuo gave me this.I should keep it. The center one is a 8 track stereo it has got out put amp. The right one is a cassete deck for a car which became the first production model for the car.This applyed 610/710 as a option he said. #3 The bottom,you can see the 240Z ownament.I asked Mr.Matsuo about this proto emblem when I found this in Mr.Matsuo's article.He said,"...this quater ownament was a design study,made of wood,I do not have this anymore" "...410 SS and SSS was my original concept and I designed emblems and I was deeply involved to produce these car,and this success brought me a promotion to a cheif designer of a sports car studio.That is why (SS and) SSS is very important for me." If you can read Japanese,you will got more information than my poor english. Thank you, kats

Thank you daddz,very good paper you have. We are tring to ident when our car was born.Many many discussions have been on this site,I love this topic. Now what I am thinking is,it is not easy to nail down the build date.We(or NISSAN) need to settle down "what date is suitable for the car as a build date".But it is difficult to difine the build date. However I can imagine when my car was born.This is very fun to do this.Nobody can say 100% for sure about this,so we can enjoy "imagine" the day when the car was born.And I think our imagination is not bad,it is getting closer to the Actual date when we find the date stamps on its car and gather the data as much as we can and compare friend's car.(I know I need to clear what is Actual date anyway) My 240Z got 11/69 for heater harness, 12/69 for seat belts, 01/70? for rear differential, 01/70 for the spare tire wheel 02/70 for engine room harness, 02/70? for engine block we discussed before 03/70 for rear view mirror mount basement 03/70 for steering horn basement 03/70 Door jam tag So, I can say this "My 240Z CAN NOT be born BEFORE 03/70"This is only what I can say right now.The latest day which is found in the car become the key.My car could have been in assembling line until 03/70.And I think it is very possible my car has completed in 03/70.The factory does not seem to hold my car without reason,many U.S. people are waiting to recieve. We talked about accuracy of the door jam tag before,in my case I think I can use my door jam tag as a reference. I want to know,is there any car have 1969 door jam tag but it has 1970 stamps on its parts?In this case,the door jam tag is strange. These inside dash harness is unlike to replace.So they are very useable to imagine the biuld date. daddz,your tool kit paper is a very good reference.Because I think the tool kit is installed very final stage in the assembly line,is not it?It is not ahead of installing dash and other interior vinal trims I think. If you do not find the date later than 08/70,your car's door jam tag not only can be used as a good reference also prove door jam tag's accuracy for your car.The tool kit paper shows the tool kit was made day by day I mean it was not made far ahead of car's production schedule.I guess it is small parts but the factory did not made too much nor stock too much. kats

Please see this,Nov 1969 240Z's hood bumper.Also Mr.Watanabe's Dec 1969 Z432 has same bumper. I do not know the p/n for this.And I am curious about this bumper is originaly applied for other Datsun models?? Some scan from Nov 1969 LHD 240Z parts catalog.Very fun to look at. kats

Hello Dan, I saw some early japanese Zs also have seat cushion guards.Attached picture is Mr.Watanabe's 12/69 Z 432. I checked again my Nov 1969 LHD parts catalog,but there is no p/n for the seat cushion guards in the seat section.Alan can tell us what is in the RHD 240Z and Fairlady-Z parts catalog said. I saw 2 screws around a door opener of some jpanese Zs.Actualy they are all Z 432R.I am not sure,Fairlady Z,Z-L,Z432 may have screws.But it is possible I think. Once I asked Mr.Nishi(proffessional restorer) is the screw for the door panel panel OEM or not.I told him I saw many early U.S.A. 240Z have the screw for the door panel.I said I think it is OEM,how about in Japan?He siad probablely OEM,and do not know factory or dealer installed. He told me he saw some early japanese Z has the screw,also he noticed there is no p/n for it.Mr.Nishi said some small parts are not listed on the parts catalog,this is not surprise thing. After that I looked up my catalog,for example,hood bumpers at each side on the cowl top,it was not listed in the first printed catalog.But early Z has a hood bumper (it is very unique style,different from currently available one)I think this bumper never get p/n because when the catalog listed p/n 63840-E4100 for the hood bumper,it is already superceeded to later style(currently available one). However,I found some very very eraly Z like used to press photo,they do not have any hood bumper on the cowl top.Please see this picture from Jan 1970issued japanese magazine Z432(we know this car PS30-00013). Thank you, kats

Hi, I am still looking for this tire,I want to buy at least 2 more.Is there anyone can sell this tire?I pay $100-200 depends on condition. I found why nobody offers his tire on this thread,because I used a wrong word. I must say "trade" not "exchange". I also accept for trading my emblems or console and clocks for your tire. Is there anyone can sell/trade your tire? kats

Hello JROME, I would also be interested in your tire if it is 175 SR 14 Bridgestone superspeed radial-20.If available,I would like to see the photo of it. Please see another thread which I started up for an advertizment http://www.classiczcars.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20678 Thank you, kats

Hi, late 1969 to mid 1971 owners, As I posted Gary's thread, http://www.classiczcars.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20520 I want OEM Bridgestone 175- SR/14.Here is additional photos in my web, this pictures are given from 26th-Z. http://www.geocities.jp/datsunz903/tire.html I add a throttle linkage for exchanging.This is off from Japanese Z,I am not sure the build year,I only know this is very early because there are no "ON" letter on its surface. And please note the figuer(marking) of parking light,it is painted white.This means there is a parking light switch indeed.Actually Enrique's parking light switch is off from this console some years ago. Console is a bad condittion,some cracks and holes there.You can fix it by your self or send to a shop they easily fix it.And I do not know why,some one cut the right side lever arm little bit from top to one inch.But this is not affected for applying plastic knob and functioning. This came off from Japanese Z,but no problem for applying to LHD model.For the throttle linkage,end plastic glommet is not good condition but can be applied for the throttle pedal arm collectly. Is there anyone can exchange your original bridgestone tire? I also revised my offering,ONE tire for my rally clock.All metal emblems and Chrome metal emblems they are remain same,each for ONE tire. Of cource I pay for the shipping to Japan. The steel wheel is not neccesaly,if it comes with,it is nice. Thank you, kats

Hi Keith and Carl, I am not sure about that superceeding,but Carl did answer it as I was expecting he did. I posted my rare parts last time,but no one have talk to me yet.Are these parts not special for the early owners?I have to list other parts which can catch the owner's hart.Or I hope some one can sell the tire for me. kats

Hello all, I have found this thread, I am now asking all of you for this original tire. Is there anyone can exchange your tire for my nice parts collection?I need at least 3 of them,if I am lucky I want to have 4 of them. I am offering 3 rare parts. #1 NOS "clock with a stop watch" in the box.You know this,this is a standard for some Japanese Z like Z432 / 240ZG etc.I do not have an oscilator for this clock.I payed $500 for this Yahoo Japan auction 3 years ago.To be honest,I want to exchange this clock for 2 or 3 tires. #2 A set of 1970 emblems they are ALL METAL Emblem.They are spare emblems of my 240Z.But I would release them for the tire.They are nice condition only easy clean up is required,but rear hatch Datsun is needed to be restore.Rear hatch 240Z is restored already. #3 A set of 1969 to Jan or Feb 1970 Chrome Z METAL EMBLEMS.Rear hatch 240Z is restored,R quater 240Z is stripped for painting.They are very rare to get a set. This tire is what I have been looking for,I only have ONE tire right now.I got one from ebay last year.That tire looks original,not replaced from the original steel wheel,the wheel got 10-1971 5Jx14 stamp on it.The tire got KS682 and KJ5X. Let me know if you can exchange your super speed radial-20.I want good condition tires.Private Message is suitable for avoiding disturb this good thread. Thank you, kats

I want to look up harnesses.Enging bay one and inside dash one.Do they much date approximately?Or if they do not much,what differece is there? kats

Hi,all! Mr.Harigae sent me a CD of S30-00002.I post some of them,please take a look carefully. My quick impression of this car is,"very complecated" or how do you say, "doutfu?l".Because so many parts seen in this car are known as "1971 model" My eyes went following these points, #1 Dash center vent,grilled #2 Break master Vac is large type #3 Steering wheel spoke has holes #4 2 tool boxes in the rear deck #5 rear suspention member"carved for a later defferential" #6 Seats and carpet is not like 1969 assembled Z car #7 rear quater panels has air vent So,generaly speaking,this car could be a 1971 car.But I do not know. What a complecated thing is,the VIN punched on the fire wall. It is very clean and for me,no evidence to be re-attached or re numberd by someone. What do you think of this? I guess 2 stories. #1 This car was assembled in 1971.But given S30-00002 for this car I do not know why.Of cource true S30-00002 was born in Mid 1969,but let's say it was scrapped for the test in the factory,so the number was disapeared from the earth.I dout Nissan used the number "S30-00002" again at the begining of 1971 model production???? #2 This car is not original S30-00002,could be S30-xxxxxx.Only the VIN portion was transfared from S30-00002 with very carfully "profesional cosmetic sergery".Or,this car's half front is S30-00002 but half rear end is S30-xxxxxx(1971 model). Please help me every one! kats P.S. Mr.Harigae said to me,he is very glad to hear so many people see and talk about this car.He said please discuss whatever related this car,he is also excited about some facts will be found.I have got the clearance about post pictures and post coments(whatever) from him.

Hello 26th-Z, I know Brian said that,and I think it is correct.Do you remember one of two test vehicles for the U.S. & Canada in late 1969 had a automatic transmission ? The automatic trans existed already in late 1969 just it was not released until mid 1970.Also Nov 1969 parts catalog listed parts numbers for the automatic transmission. S30-00002 was released to out side of the factory but I think that car was originaly not for the customer,so it was given the automatic trans before Nissan officaily made auto trans S30. And about rivets of radiator support,I already notice it and I am showing it in my web site.When I boght my 240Z,Tetsu (restorer) told me that rivets are the good sign of early production.I think manufacturing process was a kind of slow in early days,so they have a time and money to put those rivets? Thank you, kats http://www.geocities.jp/datsunz903/rivets.html

Hello Bryan, Yes! the WASO is important for me,I am very interested in it.I feel some mysterious atmosphere from it.Original early Parts which I have never seen generates my interest. Hello Alan,thank you for the picture of keys and valid points of view.One thing about the Safari car,its steering lock escushion ring is painted reflectable bright yellow.Is this for the night operation? I wish to see the key and cylinder of 1970-early 1971 HS30. If the WASO key and cylinder are listed on ebay,nobody be interested?This means I can buy them easily without any bidding fight? kats

Hello, I asked more photos to Mr.Harigae so will be available soon.And he said this car has automatic trans!!He and his friends think this car had been used as a test car in the Nissan.I suggested him to trace the owner back to its origine we can do it in Japan but Mr.Harigae said that car does not have a licence plate,he said it is impossible to do it.I just want to know who owned this car or if it had never been owned by someone,it means Nissan owned it then threw it away to a junk yard. It was a quite positive rumor that there is the S30-00002 in the jank yard north of Tokyo area.I heard of it once before but I did not think it was true. Mr.Harigae bought it from there,matching area as the rumor. The attached photo is a shot of underneath of S30-00002. Mr Camouflage,please do not mind but I would like to say about the title of this thread.It needs 4 zeros!"S30-00002". I had never seen such a lot of Zeros before the chassis number. Thank you, kats

Thank you Mr Camouflage,and everyone Mr.Harigae will difinetly be happy to see this site,and I am very surprised because so many people think it is restorable.Mr.Harigae is not like ordinaly japanese Z car mania,he will restore it.He think he can do it,so he bought it I think. He showed me so many photo of it,I notice some points. #1 the car have different years seats and uphostly,so it was used quite often and seems there were a few owners kept driving and enjoying it some around 10 years ago. Thank you, kats

Hi kenz240z, Blue air cleaner I saw it some times in Japan too.I think blue one is nothing different just color.Remember I post before the car which is seen in the earliest service manual have a blue air cleaner.This is interesting. 26th-Z,I found your distributer's shaft maybe the rarest according to parts catalog."xxxxx-21005" is superceeded -21006 in Nov 1969.I think this change could be a first time among of HLS30 hole parts. kats

This is a WASO key,can you see "WASO" on the face? The tip is longer and this portion "pushes" steering lock mechanism.If you cut WASO key's tip,you can use it as VOSS key. So the Technical service bulletin said there might be a problem of un-desireble locking due to mix VOSS and WASO keys.I think that is very very rare case but can not say never happen. Also the bulletin said VOSS key was applied from HLS30-00001.Then I think WASO was applied for HS30(of cource early HS30). The picture from 1st Nov 1969 service manual showes unusual steering lock mechanism,you can see the exterior view is completely different.A Black round end cap is interesting.I think this steering lock is WASO type.I see the wires on the locking mechanism,but I think HS30 does not have a buzzer for ignition key.So this picture's steering lock is for HLS30 for Europe?But bulletin said HLS30-00001 got VOSS,mysterious.Or there is only one 240Z built in May 1969,this car does not have a serial number.I guess this car got WASO with buzzer switch? kats

Hi, I post this photo for checking the differences of VOSS key between original and reproduction from Nissan. The left is original 35 years old key.The middle is came from Nissan which I bought it at local Nissan 4 years ago aprox 600 yen($7.00 U.S.) The right is also came from Nissan last year I forgot price but some 600 yen too.The biggest difference is,the right one is not completely same,a finishing around my finger is pointing.The middle one is better. kats

Hi Carl, I am sure HLS30-00630 is 01/70 on the door jam tag.I saw it clearly. kats

Hi, just information,Mr.Harigae found and bought S30-00002.The car is almost unable to restore but very interesting to look at it. If I have a chance to see it,I would like to see a wiring harness and check date on the decal,I guess S30-00002 was born in June or July 1969. kats

Hi, Last 3 months I lived in Tokyo and had driven my Z almost everyday.Every monday-friday I used my Z for commuter.Japan is very humite now,my Z got wet so much. The parking lot is outside no roof,very bad for Z's exterior but I continue to ride. After my job in Tokyo was completed,I drove it 8 hours to my home,on the way to my home I had a trouble of distributor.I noticed it was so noisy!!I began to disassemble it and clean and rebuilt it by myself. kats

Hi, I add this VZ owned by Mr.Oba HLS30-03924 L24-006153 Door jam Tag is 04/70.His Z was seen many japanese magazine and I like his taste. I met him twice, he said he sent his Z body shop twice since he shipped the Z in japan,he was not satisfied VZ's painting quality.He added looveres and 5 speed mission and dual tip exaust and slotted wheels(he originaly got "D" hub caps).Even got air conditioning. kats

Hello, I have been interested in a WASO key which is for a steering lock,it is a longer key than a VOSS key. Please see my web site, http://www.geocities.jp/datsunz903/manykeys.html The first right key is the WASO key.This key should have a code prefix "FHxxxx".You can see the length is different from the next one. I guess the WASO key was applyed for early HS30. The second from the right is the VOSS key.We (early HLS30 cars like up to mid 1971?) are familier with this key.Very early cars might have 2 types of prefix "FHxxxx" and "VHxxxx". Because VOSS took after WASO in late 1969-early 1970.So "FH " is not only for a WASO key,this is complicated.The overall length is shorter than a WASO key this means a locking system is completely different between them. I saw the Safari winner 1971 240Z onece,I took this car's key and see the code and key itself.I was surprised this early HS30 got a WASO key,I am stupid I forgot the car serial number,HS30-00075 or -76 something anyway. The key has "FH2xxx" code on it and also a door key is original one.Amazingly,they both are very neat.No wear no dents on the key gloove and key's surface.I imazined they have not been touched like daily use,so they still have kept good condition. If some one has a WASO key,please let us know.Maybe early HS30 owners (U.K.,Australia,New Zealand etc.)have. According to a service manual,HLS30 never got WASO type key.Only VOSS type key for HLS30.If there is a exception,I would like to see it. What an odd thing is,service manual for HLS30 is showing an unusual steering lock in a photo of steering componets section.With very carfuly look at it,you can tell a buzzer switch is different and an ignition terminal portion is different from the one(VOSS type)we got.I think this steering lock might be a WASO key model and even with a buzzer switch!! A Nov 1st 1969 issued service manual has clean photos on it,it is easier to see the details than the manuals later were produced(like the one P/N 99999-20016). kats P.S. pictures of the Safari winner car and my hand and the WASO key(sorry for poor forcusing).And two steering locks are just comparison model between early and late VOSS key cylinder.The left is the earliest which got a completely different buzzer system and the right is a later type which got a more fat cylinder and a different buzzer system.So a steering column cover and an escushion ring for a cylinder and an ignition terminal switch,these are not interchengable.But a later escushion ring and a column cover may apply for an early cylinder without mods if you do not mind a gap.

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Hi Carl, I post these red 240Z for HLS30-00630 located in Japan.I saw this car twice,this is very very clean.Not only clean the painting job is very nice.I know there are good vintage Zs and not so good vintages like some one said,I think this Z is very good vintage Z.I guess this car was on TV news in L.A. interviewed Pierre Z when the program was in progress.Auto garage Motoyama is selling 300 cars ( Ferrari ,Lambo,Porche,etc)and this Z have been priced $60,000 U.S. almost 7 years,but no one going to buy this car in Japan.Japanese people will pay 60,000 for Z432 not for 240Z.I am the only one will pay for 60,000 for HLS30 in Japan! And when I visited Guam a few years ago,Guam Nissan displayed a gold #920 vintage Z in their show room.Exterior paint job was nice but exaust tubes got a lot of rust.Muffler and pipe finisher were OEM but not exactly correct period.I took pictures but I did not check the VIN number.I wonder it is still on sale or not. kats