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  1. I think someone was here before me, so too late not to change anything. I examined only one of the axles with regard to the arrows I mentioned at the beginning of this thread. The arrows pointed to a "flatter" of the four corners of the trunnion, but they were not drilled and tapped for grease fittings. The relationship was 90 degrees one to the other, not 180, or in alignment. Thanks for the tip about brass jaws. I was able to get the snap rings matched up for each opposing journal pair. .062" was the most common size snap ring I needed to use. If I recall correctly, the new snap rings which came in the package with each of the new u-joints were of the following sizes: .060", .061", .062" and .064", .065", .066" There were 12 supplied with each u-joint - two each of those sizes. Oddly, .063" seemed not to be present. I carefully lapped two .064" snap rings to get the .063" I needed. With the axle in the vise and using the dial gauge, I was able to confirm about .001" of free play axially for each direction on the trunnion. The u-joints feel a bit "heavy" in their movement. However, I am certain after very careful checking that the free play is what it should be. I could see the needle on the dial gauge move easily and then stop, as I applied pressure to move the u-joints up and down in their installed state. I may very well send the axles off for balancing. Since I am installing a 240SX transmission, I may need to get a driveshaft made also. If I can use my driveshaft as is, which may be possible, I will likely send it off for balancing with the axles. Numbers indicate the snap ring used in thousandths at each location with opposite journals using same sizes, of course.
  2. That thought occurred to me, but it seems too cumbersome from a production efficiency standpoint to me. I could go through and swap out rings to get them as close to the same size as possible, and then send the axles (and driveshaft) to a driveshaft balancing place like you mention to check balance / re-balance. I believe I worked with The Driveshaft Shop on a group buy of short axles for a Z31 CV conversion on my highly modified 240Z many years ago. They are in NC. Who are you referring to in SC?
  3. Good questions. I see the label has "deux temps". I think that is French. A Google search seems to indicate the french use lb-po^2. It is equivalent to psi. My compressor pump is an "inline 2", with the cylinders side by side. One is smaller than the other. The larger one is the low pressure part of the pump, and the smaller one is the high pressure part. Looking at the paperwork I have for it, I see I bought it on 11/01/1997 for $709.77. 🙂 I bought my glass bead cabinet at the same time - just after I bought my first garage (with a house attached hahaha). It was my first expensive tool purchase. I was 28... It will be a sad day when/if this compressor wears out. But we are both getting old!
  4. I am surprised at how many hours it took to replace the u-joints. What took the most time was measuring everything and trying different snap rings until I got the right factory free play of about one thousandth (factory spec = .0008"). However... I realized something much later in the day, and I'm going to have to go through snap ring sizing part again. Let me explain why: Generally speaking, the distance between the yoke ears on both the center axle assemblies and between the yoke ears on the outer axle flanges measures around 2.200 to 2.205 from inside surface to inside surface. To measure the u-joints where it matters, I installed opposing needle bearing caps, and put the u-joint in a vise, squeezing it lightly until the caps bottomed out on the u-joint spider. I used paint sticks to protect the caps from the vise jaws. While in the vise, I took vernier calipers and measured from innermost edge of snap ring groove to the same innermost edge of the opposing cap. That measurement was about 2.080. The difference, divided by two, is theoretically the snap ring size you need on each snap ring groove - or close, anyway. So, by the measurements I was seeing, (2.205 minus 2.080) divided by 2 equals .0625. I didn't realize the info in the paragraph above until I was working on the second axle. Additionally, while working on the second axle, I began to suspect that the u-joints may have been replaced before. The first thing that tipped me off to this was that on the second axle, I was more diligent with measuring each of the snap rings as I removed them. And I kept track of their respective locations. For the second axle, here is what I found when I took them out: Inboard u-joint: "Top of axle (arbitrary, but I marked it as such)": snap ring - .060" --- opposite journal - "bottom of axle": .062", and "left" journal: .062" and opposite "right" journal: .065" Outboard u-joint: "Top of axle": snap ring - .060" --- opposite journal - "bottom of axle": .062", and "left" journal: .065" and opposite "right" journal: .062" Thinking about the snap rings... I just don't see how it could be right to use different thicknesses on paired journals. Maybe I am wrong, but certainly from an ideal standpoint, the outer flanges should be machined such that the 4 bolt holes which secure the axle to either the differential or axle - these would be oriented such that the center of the flange would align with the center of the u-joint. If the machining process on the outer flanges achieves this, when you install the u-joint and you use a snap ring of a thickness of .065" on one journal, and .062" on opposing side, then that u-joint is going to be .003" off center. And for every revolution of the axle, it is going to be .006" out-of-round. Seems bad... like it shouldn't be like that. Wouldn't that cause vibration? The second thing that indicated the u-joints had been replaced was some dings on the inside surfaces of the yoke ears. I am pretty certain I did not cause those. I lightly dressed them with a file so the snap rings were sure to fit properly. First pic: dressed some marks on the inside surface with a file. Second pic, no dressing was needed: Third pic: measuring u-joint free play: So, tomorrow, I'll be going over the axles one more time, looking for the right snap rings. The good news is that the total thickness of each pair of snap rings should be right, as I measured everything and got the free play right. However, for each opposing pair, I'll need to measure the thickness of each snap ring, and "split the difference". So, for example, the .062" and .065" combo will need to be swapped out for two .063" or two .064" snap rings - whichever gets me closest to the .0008" free play.
  5. Pictures of my compressor: 55 I was able to adjust the new switch to kick in around 120 and turn of at about 155, just as before.
  6. Thanks for the info guys. I will take a picture of my compressor today and put it here - that pic above was the same model, but a picture I found online. It/mine is a two cylinder compressor. I bought the compressor when it was new. The switch I replaced was the original one. I don't think it was adjustable, so I found it odd that both had 140/175 specs, but that the original worked at 120/155. Good point about adding more heat. Yeah, agree, it doesn't look like any benefit to keeping the higher points. I will adjust them both down today.
  7. My trusty compressor developed a problem with its pressure switch. The contact started sticking and the compressor kept running even when the tank pressure exceeded the cut off pressure. I've had it for about 27 years, and used it a fair amount given I am just a hobbyist. I am too lazy to get a picture of it, but it is this same model - though I think it was branded under Campbell Hausfeld: So the switch - I went online looking for replacements. The original switch had the model "DAC-278-1" with number 140 and 175 which apparently indicate the turn off psi and turn off psi. Since I bought it new... for 27 years, it turned on around 120 psi and turned off at 155 psi. Tonight, the $18.95 replacement arrived and I installed it. Here is the one I bought: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00273R6KU?psc=1&ref=ppx_pop_dt_b_product_details Interestingly, this switch kicks the compressor motor on at about 145 psi and turns it off at about 175 psi. And this one, has screws to allow adjustment to the turn on and turn off points. My question is this, is it harder on the compressor to utilize 145/175 instead of 120/155? It seems logical that to get to 175, it has to run longer than to get to 155. But, if it kicks in at a higher pressure also, maybe it ends up running the same amount of time when air is not being used? And then, there is reality - I consume air while it is running quite often, like for sand blasting or glass bead blasting. And pretty much all of my tools are limited to 90 psi... So, is it wasteful or unnecessary to run 145/175? For what its worth, my lines are cast iron pipe and the water separator and regulator are rated for 200 psi max, the hose is rated sufficiently high enough, etc.
  8. I find it curious that the snap rings supplied with the new u-joint are in thicknesses which are paired in twos and thicker and thinner than what I took out. Possibly they were trying to supply a broader range on purpose. Consider, why not provide 3 groups of 4 of the same size, for example? I am going to take some measurements of the distance between the yoke ears or whatever you call them. Perhaps the distances vary a bit and will give me guidance on what thickness snap rings need to be used. It will be interesting to see variances.
  9. I have started replacing the u-joints the 240Z I am restoring. I think the u-joints I removed are original to car. Can anyone confirm? What tells me they are factory? Well, there is a fair amount of evidence from looking at the history of the car, the receipts, and the amount of crusted dirt that was on the u-joints. Basically, the car appears to have about 120k miles on it - a notable amount of crust that I had to remove from the u-joint spider, and the snap rings I removed look just like the ones that came with the NOS u-joints (different from all the aftermarket u-joint snap rings I have ever seen). Anyway, on to some selected text from the factory shop manual and some questions. When looking at the RA chapter from the workshop manual (Rear Axle & Rear Suspension)... First, a little bit of levity - per the manual, did you know that "The drive shaft should be disassembled only when lubricating the ball spline" and further "The lubrication is required every 50,0000 km (30,000 miles)"? Bet you didn't, and you'd better get on that. 😛 Setting that aside, oddly, when addressing replacing the universal joints from the axles, the factory workshop manual refers the reader to the "instructions described in the paragraph covering the propeller shaft if faulty condition is detected". So, I turned to that section of the manual. Unfortunately, the propeller shaft (drive shaft) is a bit different than the axles. So, I am left with some ambiguity and therefore, some questions. Let's start with "Before disassembling the journal, verify the component alignment and relationship so that the yoke direction and snap ring thickness are not changed (when the yoke direction and/or snap ring thickness is changed, the tube and journal center alignment is deviated and the propeller shaft is unbalanced) because the journal is balanced as an assembly. It is desired not to disassemble the propeller shaft so that the alignment is not unbalanced." So, translation? Don't take it apart if it can be avoided. Of course, I have already taken the u joints out and found them to be in need of replacement. I have only disassembled one axle - just the u-joints removed so far. And before I did so, I marked everything so as to keep all parts in their factory assembled orientation. Axle yokes, axle, u joints, u joint snap rings... all laid out per their assembled orientation. Now, a few words about the new oem u-joints. These are new old stock. Note that the D and "dot" seem to be indicating where the u-joint is drilled and tapped for a grease fitting (the package includes a screw plug): These original equipment u-joints come with an assortment of snap rings: Note the colors painted on the edges. There appear to be 6 sets of two. The factory workshop manual only provides info for 4 colors, and those are for the driveshaft u-joints, which are different than the axle u-joint snap rings. Those for the driveshaft are measurably thicker, varying from 2.00 to 2.06 mm (.0787 to .0811 inches). I measured the snap rings that came with the axle u-joints. Generally speaking, they range from .059" to .066". So.... One of my more important questions is, what snap rings should I use? Turning again to what is written in the workshop manual: "Reassembly" "The component parts are reassembled in reverse sequence of disassembly. When reassembling, select and use a proper snap ring out of the following types (four types) so that the journal moves under the following conditions: 1. Bending resistance of the journal unit is less than 1- kg-cm (9 in-lb). 2. When a yoke in one side is set stationary and a load of 10 kg (22 lbs) is applied to the other yoke alternately, the relative displacement of the yoke toward the axial direction is less than 0.02 mm (0.0008 in)." The four types, by the way, appear to be the four colors for the driveshaft u-joint. For the axle u-joint, it looks like we have 6 types (colors). My measurements of the supplied 6, again ranging from .059" to .066" roughly corresponded to two of each of the following: .059", .060", .061", .063", .065", and .066". Separately, the snap rings I removed from the old u-joint are mostly, to my measurement, .062". Interesting. Looking again at number 2 above, I think what I am supposed to do is use two snap rings of the same size at opposing journal locations. For example, I could install the old ones - .062" at each of the four journal locations, or perhaps two .062" opposite each other, along with two .061" opposite each other. Next, I should attempt to use a pressure of 22 lbs against the "other yoke" and check for axial movement (which would occur if the spider of the u-joint were to sink further into the u-joint cap. Success in determining the correct snap ring is achieved when "the relative displacement of the yoke toward the axial direction is less than 0.02 mm (0.0008 in). Right? Thoughts? I've been looking through all of this this evening trying to figure it out. I wonder... how many people install new u-joints and don't get the movement in the axial direction sufficiently tight? If axial movement is "too much", it could cause wild vibration. Lastly, I wonder if the grease fitting location on the u-joint matters in any way? So far, I have one new u-joint installed. Should I install the second one on the axle as pictured - with its grease fitting location 180 degrees opposite, in this orientation?
  10. Well, I won't be attempting to drill them because I found a small amount of pitting on the surface of the journals when I took the u-joints out to inspect them. Time to replace them. Inner u-joint... and outer u-joint for one axle:
  11. I removed and examined the u-joints from one axle. Even though they felt very nice, when I took them apart, I found some damage. First pic - outer joint, second pic, inner joint, and third pic - oem new in box joint: The new, oem joint is pre-drilled for a grease fitting but comes with a screw/cap, and retaining clips with different colors painted on their sides. They differ in thickness, with 3 or 4 groups of four clips. I think 12 total are included. I wonder if this casting mark (the I) is important (first pic)? The "D" location corresponds to the drilled hole for the grease fitting. I had two oem nos joints in my stash. Since both of the joints in the one axle I took apart had damage, I went ahead with ordering two more. I found some nos oem of the same part number on eBay for about $50 each. I need to review the what the factory shop manual says about replacing these u-joints to make sure I am not missing something important about the replacement process.
  12. I have made some more progress with bead blasting (after coal slag blasting), and priming and then painting of black parts. I am really pleased with how these are turning out. First pic: Gold in a sea of silver - that is the T3 transmission crossmember for installing the 240SX transmission. Second pic shows brake hose bracket repaired on one of the front struts. Third pic - the rotisserie makes for a nice place to hang parts for painting. Front strut: T3 crossmember, gas pedal, rear mustache mount washers, dash vent bracket: Other front strut: Rear strut: Other rear strut: I am about 2/3rds of the way through the black parts. The nice thing about getting these done is that I can move on to some more of the assembly part of this process. No word from the painter about work begun on the car. Still waiting for paint sample cards.
  13. Where is your neck of the woods out of curiosity? I use my press quite a bit, so getting a 20T to replace my 12T seems like a good idea at this point.
  14. I removed the u-joints from one of my axles tonight. I can't see any beads that got past the seals, but I will be cleaning them regardless. Took a look at that with the axle I worked on tonight and the arrows are at 90 degrees - not 180. I'd like to know if these are replacements or original. I have since a two different brands that are original so far: "Torrington" and Koyo". No idea if these N T N are also OEM.
  15. I located a couple of NOS driveshaft u-joints in my "boxes of stuff" tonight. I was curious if they were drilled for grease fittings. I found out that they are. Interestingly, if you look at the corners and markings, you see they are similar to the ones on my shafts. However, instead of an arrow, there is a D on the corner that has a flatter surface than the other corners: Additionally, the brand is Koyo for the two I have in boxes, and not grease fitting was included, but instead a plug was. I still suspect that I could drill and then tap the existing u joints for a grease fitting. I will need to decide how to proceed before I prime and paint the axles. They were painted after assembly at the factory (paint over rubber boots and bands as well), and I am thinking about replicating that. I am leaning toward taking the u-joints out and apart and cleaning them and repacking them with grease. I may attempt to drill and tap and install grease fittings into them.
  16. I am back from a week of vacation which consisted mainly of relaxation and recuperation. I located the manual and receipt for my press. It is a 12 ton capacity press. I purchased it in 1999 for $127 including shipping. The bottle jack stopped working a year or so ago, and with a new bottle jack (12 ton) only $30 something with shipping, it wasn't worth my time to tear it apart. Hate that. One of the few times I convinced myself to just chuck it. I did open it and look for anything obvious first. 😉 Anyway, I was reaching the limit of the bottle jack with these rear control arm bushings. The handle went kind of "soft". And I was using a propane torch simultaneously to add a bit of heat to the portion of the control arm that the bushing presses into, admittedly I did not add a lot of heat though. The 12 ton press served most of my needs... but these bushings surprised me. I didn't expect them to be this tight. But, it looks like 20T has worked, so I am thinking I will go that way.
  17. My press is only 12T, I think, from harbor freight. Looks just like this: Based on everyone's input, it sounds like I would have success with a 20 ton press. I found this for $68.50 and free shipping. https://strictlymot.com/products/20-ton-hydraulic-shop-press?currency=USD&variant_sku_code=2777136-0-0-0-0-0-0&gclid=CjwKCAjwiOCgBhAgEiwAjv5whLBTtoAkp7L5HAnW0p-SVQ3SGIv9FU6RxWIz6PNaUjKpF8_iqv3SLRoCxPsQAvD_BwE Sounds like too good of a deal to be true - and I'd be risking personal info if I tried buying it!
  18. I decided in the few hours I had to work on the car today, I would make a pipe section for pressing the rear control arm bushings out and remove those. I cut a piece off of my .125 sheet that was suitably wide enough to accommodate the full depth of the bushing when pressed out of the arm, and began bending it. Using the vise, and an impact socket, I continued bending until it wrapped around the socket. Then I cut it to length and hammer formed it around the socket: I then welded the seam, dressed the weld with my hand held belt sander, and the ends with my bench grinder. Then, I bead blasted it to make it look nice. Under an hour and I was at my press with this, the control arms, and various bits to use in pressing the bushings out. Two hours later, I still hadn't gotten even one bushing to budge a millimeter. OD on a new bushing is about 1.185" if I recall correctly. And the impact socket I was using to press the bushing out is 1.182. It's a bit to big, but I should have been able to get a few thousands of an inch, but I got no movement... at... all! I tried going down in size to the next thing I had, another socket that was 1.165". But it wasn't catching enough of the bushing outer sleeve. These bushings have a very thin outer wall sleeve. In frustration, I took a hack saw to one of the bushings and cut through the inner sleeve. But, as soon as I got through it, it collapsed a bit and kept the hack saw blade from moving in and out anymore. What a royal pain in the arse. First time I have been stuck on something in a long time. I am thinking about burning them out. 😠 I will see what others have done first.
  19. Spindles are out - I am talking about removing the control arm bushings from the rear suspension arms - what the spindles go through. Thanks anyway though!
  20. About the rates, Katz posted info that decodes which spring goes on the front left and front right, one page back in this same restoration thread: These after market springs from Suspension Techniques are the same free length and rate for the front, and the same for the rear. Interestingly, the rate for the rear is higher. In my heavily modified Z, I run 250 pounds per inch rate in the front and 375 pounds/in rate in the rear. I had already taped up studs for two out of four of the isolators before I noticed the marks. I'm curious if there are others besides the "I" and "J" on the other two. Playing two soccer games (in the freezing cold) will prevent me from making much more progress on these parts today. I had a thought about removing the bushings from the rear control arms, however. I have flat sheet in .062". I think I will make a round pipe of the right inner diameter. Should take less than 30 min.
  21. I believe I finished blasting the remainder of my parts today. It was cold... with wind gusts at times, which tried to lift the tarp up. I pushed through though. Next, I'll need to run many of the parts stripped today through the glass bead cabinet to finish them off. I welded metal in to repair the brake hose brackets on the front struts, and finished them with a 13" hand held belt sander. Didn't get pics, but I will and will show later. I forgot to get scrap tube of the right diameter this week to use to press the old bushings out of the rear control arms. I'll have to hold off on priming them until I remove those. Looking at the strut upper mounts, I observe that from the factory, the studs were not painted black: Another thing, which I never noticed before, the studs have letters... or marks pressed into the ends. Does anyone know what these mean? I decided to lightly brush the studs with a brass brush and then tape them off before putting them in the glass bead cabinet. I will leave them taped for priming and painting. I was going to strip the powder coated paint off of the Suspension Techniques springs, but I think I have decided against it. I don't like the blue color. But instead of stripping, I think I will scuff them with green Scotch-Brite and paint them black. Wish I could have sprayed primer on all these tonight, but I ran out of time, and the temp is supposed to hit 24 degrees over night. Not ideal. The epoxy primer needs 60 minimum for 8 hours to dry. Hopefully, no surface rust will start forming before I have the time and the right conditions to prime and paint.
  22. Found this post about strut stickers: Wonder if there are any reproductions other than these: https://www.zeddsaver.com/products/datsun-240z-strut-decals
  23. Thanks Charles! I have been re-collecting and straining the used material. I like the idea of using a storage tub. That would keep the media from traveling as far. The weather looks sunny and cold today, good for finishing the stripping of paint and rust from parts. I will attempt to finish blasting of all remaining parts today. The struts have the remnants of what I believe to be a factory sticker: Each of my struts have this same left over sticker residue. It is narrower and longer than these: https://www.zeddsaver.com/products/datsun-240z-strut-decals Anyone know what they are/said originally? The previous owner hacked the brake line support bracket. I'll repair these before painting.
  24. As far as I know, the u-joint is symmetrical. So, I don't think its installation in the axle has to be "clocked" a certain way. But, I don't know for sure. I don't recall seeing grease fittings on any of the factory u-joints on my Datsuns over the years. However, I believe all of the aftermarket ones I have bought in the past did have them. So, the arrow is still a mystery. Regarding getting sand/coal dust under the seals, I don't think it can happen. The seals on the original u-joints are made out of plastic and fit tightly, with no gap for the particles to wedge into. I may still take them apart however, as installation of grease fittings seems worthwhile. I mean, while I have them off the car and stripped of paint, it is only a small (relative) amount of work to disassemble them and put fresh grease. I may drill and tap the u-joints for grease fittings as well.
  25. As I was glass bead blasting the axles from the car I am restoring, I noticed something I have never seen before, an arrow on the casting of the factory (I think) u-joint: I note in the direction it is pointing, it seems to me that the area of the casting between the journals is flatter than the other, similar areas. Is the arrow indicating that a grease fitting should be installed on that "corner"? Also, can you drill and install grease fittings on installed u-joints?
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