Harry Frigg

Hopefully you will get the chance to stop by and see it... then others can ask for a non-bias opinion!

I am still marketing that multi award winning 1973 240Z for a couple out of the country. This is truly an exceptional vehicle. You can find information and photos at the following website: http://home.comcast.net/~datsun-240z The car is located near Denver, Colorado. We just had the opportunity to see a Nissan restored 240Z at a Nissan dealership just a few miles from here (Peak Nissan). If you plan a trip soon, you can see both at the same time... that would be a good thing if you are looking for a really nice one. I would still like to see this car in the hands of someone that will get it back out and visible in the Z community. Thanks again to this awesome site! For discussion please call Michael at 303-989-0001 To respond by email: datsun-240z@comcast.net Website: http://home.comcast.net/~datsun-240z Thanks again. Harry

I am still marketing a multi award winning 1973 240Z for a couple currently living in France. This is truly an exceptional vehicle. You can find information and photos at the following website: http://home.comcast.net/~datsun-240z The car is located near Denver, Colorado, USA. We just had the opportunity to see a Nissan restored 240Z at a Nissan dealership just a few miles from here (March 17, 2004). If you plan a trip soon, you can see both at the same time. Nissan was successful in selling (what we understand to be) 43 restored 240Zs several years ago, many for more than the owners are asking for this one, most of which would not score the Gold Medallion award without additional work. If you have seen this car in person, please feel free to comment in any way. I would like to see this car in the hands of someone that will get it back out and visible in the Z community. Thanks again to this awesome site – just for being here. For discussion please call Michael at 303-989-0001 To respond by email: datsun-240z@comcast.net Website: http://home.comcast.net/~datsun-240z Thanks. Harry

Hi mandtw, I left a message at the number above. I am definately interested. You can reach me by email at mtole@comcast.net Thank you.

Thought this was cool: Dear Abby, I recently read your column advising grandparents on "tough love" for misbehaving grandchildren, whose own parents let them run wild. I have followed your advice, and enclose a picture demonstrating my technique when my grandson just won't behave while I'm baby sitting for his parents. They have told me not to spank him, so I just take him for a ride, and he usually calms down afterward. Signed, Tough Love Grandpa

Actually I am looking for the 73 wheel covers AND a nice set of slotted mags. Would prefer that the mags are already done, but having them reconditioned is not out of the question.

Looking for new OEM wheel covers or perfect polished slotted mags for a 240... any ideas? Harry

I am marketing a multi award winning 1973 240Z for a couple currently living in France. This is truly an exceptional vehicle. You can find information and photos at the following website: http://home.comcast.net/~datsun-240z The car is located near Denver, Colorado, USA. We just had the opportunity to see a Nissan restored 240 at a dealership just a few miles from here. If you plan a trip soon, you can see both. Nissan was successful in selling more than 40 restored 240s several years ago, many for more than the owners are asking for this one, most of which would not score the Gold Medallion award without additional work. If you have seen this car in person, please feel free to comment in any way. I would like to see this car in the hands of someone that will get it back out and visible in the Z community. Thanks again to this awesome site – just for being here. For discussion please call Michael at 303-989-0001 To respond by email: datsun-240z@comcast.net Website: http://home.comcast.net/~datsun-240z Thanks. Harry

Thanks to everyone for the information... and especially the data sheet. Does anyone know the ranges they sold for and who has them?

Does anyone know how many Nissan authorized 240Z restorations were completed and sold?

Are the OEM (Nissan) seals no longer available? I had no problem whatsoever with those. A touch more effort to close the door for about a week. Then perfect. Not a leak, not a squeek.

It is common for the doors to be a little harder to close until the rubber "seats". Also check to see if the doors have been adjusted a little too tight to compensate for the collapsed weather stripping.

I've used Marvel Mystery Oil. Someone told me about it and I thought it worked great. Even if it should get sucked in, it will only clean your carbs and valves. It's intended use... to put in your tank, so I figured it wouldn't foul plugs, etc.

You are in my prayers as well ZmeFly. Lost my dad a year ago April 13... that's the only way I could ever relate. Find comfort in knowing he is in a better place, and someday, when the time is right, we will meet with them again. Harry

Right on AZ-240z! In my opinion, you are right on the mark. You will not regret what you have done... hopefully in the very near future.

Thanks for your time thefastestz. I will compile and send a few people to them... actually it would be easier to direct them here. I hope to be looking again too in about a year... but for a V8 this time... maybe.

Let us know any you might know of for sale. I have come across several people looking that have budgets between 10 & 15k. Thanks.

There was a referral to a shop in Cal. Actually gave the phone number, name and a link to their site (it may have been Mike that gave the referal). I can't find it in either forum... but I read many other forums too, so it may have been somewhere else that I read it. Thanks for the info you posted... very helpful.

Get your target practice here! Just kidding. Can't find the post currently, but someone made a really intelligent suggestion regarding contacting the people that restored for Nissan to see what they had and what it would cost to restore a Z. Just wondering if anyone has. And where the heck was that post? Possibly in another forum? Anyone have the shop's name?

Who's nutz? Premium over rotten anytime for me. Believe it or not, there is a difference.

However... if the peanuts cost you 50 cents a bag, would you be wise to sell them for 25 cents a bag? There's an analogy for everything. Just business!

Very valid point (supply vs demand). Short supply is what makes things worth more than their actual value. Not to beat a dead horse, but I must stink at communication. All I'm asking is: If Joe has a very cool 240Z - V8 conversion he wants to sell... and I'm looking for a very cool 240Z - V8 conversion... and it's a color I like... why would it be so dumb to buy his for what he has invested in it rather than build one for what he has invested in it plus time, labor, chance, etc.? It's not going to cost less. It could even end up costing more.

It’s honestly not just about my car. This is something that has puzzled me for a long, long time about Z Car fans. I have friends that have put their heart, soul and a ton of cash into their Z-Cars… trying to do them right… and I am shooting myself in the foot with all of this right now because I will be trying to replace mine as soon as things turn around… if not begging to purchase mine back from it’s new owner… undoubtedly at a higher price (unless they trash it). Another dream that keeps haunting me is a nice Z - V8 conversion… and I have seen several beautifully done cars on this site. What are they worth? I would never offer the owner less that what they have in it because… 1) That’s their minimum “actual” value… because I want one. 2) That’s what it would “actually” cost to build one… and I wouldn’t have to stress out about how it will turn out. Yes – I could still find a builder because of how many cars were manufactured (however it’s tough even now to find the rust free version), but it will still cost more to complete it that I could buy one for, plus a whole lot of time… what’s the point here? Just that. A Ferrari is not worth what they sell for to me, because I can’t afford one, but they are still worth what they sell for because that’s what they sell for and anyone that buys one finds comfort in that. Perhaps if I were a millionaire and could afford one it would be worth it to me as well. I’m not saying Z’s should be out of sight… or anywhere near the value of a Ferrari or any exotic, they cost much more to build so their actual value is much higher… I’m just saying, if a car is well done – original or not – V8 conversion or not, it’s actual value is the cost of building it… to someone that wants one… because that’s what it would cost them to build one! No one to my knowledge has ever asked more. But why the “perceived” value is nothing (or a little better than half the cost)… doesn’t make sense, they have always been a desirable car… Is it that us Zeders have low self esteem? If so, we need to snap out of it.

OK... I can't take it anymore... the self destructive attitude of y'all. This one should cause a stir. Maybe even a lot of controversy although it shouldn’t! Amazing how someone can say – Oh… a Z could only be worth xxx dollars max. Hey, you all already know the Z is a pretty amazing vehicle or this site wouldn’t be as strong as it is, and the values are not anywhere near where they should be. Why? Because of Z-Car owners using “assumed value” rather than “real value”. “Real value” is unarguably “replacement value”. Can’t say the Z’s ever been an “undesirable”. The last time you went to your local Nissan dealer for parts, didn’t it surprise you? Some parts have gone up by 300% over the last 10 years. Ever check with Junior’s House of Paint for a price on a great paint job? $10,000-$20,000 to dismantle and paint a car. Again… any car should be worth the cost of replacement... If you want one. Assuming they are low, keeps them low. That only hurts you… the owner and future seller (you may loose interest and want to sell it when you turn 90). Do you really want to invest more in your car than it will ever be worth? I doubt it. So change it. Only you have the power. Think replacement value. Didn’t Nissan get close to $38,000 for the last 240 they restored? (Just what I heard – if anyone has the facts, please advise.) Because of Nissan’s prices (originally starting at $27,000 for the restorations and going up from there) and the documentation I kept, State Farm agreed to insure mine for $35000. They’re pretty sticky about verifying replacement value too. (It breaks my heart to think my best option could be to take it out and total it) Here’s another example that will give you a whole new respect… a 240 that sold at a Barrett-Jackson Collectors auction in 1995. Obviously two or more people (with money - maybe more than brains - but obviously worth it to one of them) really wanted this car. Check this out – a whole new outlook: http://www.barrett-jackson.com/auctionresults/common/cardetail.asp?id=159924 Serious collectors are just now starting to look at Z-Cars… the new “penny stock”? Don’t sell yourself or your cars short. There aren’t many left out there that are not rusted away beyond being possible solid restorable cars. What would it cost you to replace yours and all the work you’ve done? Show the collectors that their “new found” “penny stock” owners aren’t stupid and aren’t going to sell their cars for 50% of what they have in them. Look at the Cobra. One day they were selling for $12000-$18000… a few months later (all of a sudden) they were $100,000 - $150,000. Worth it? Not to me, but obviously they are to many. Why? Because there are only so many of them and that’s what it (all of a sudden) took for people to part with them. Collectors wanted them. Even the kit cars are pretty outrageous. Better than a nice tight Z? 240’s, 260’s and 280’s are no longer produced… and until someone invents a time machine and can go back to 1970 and wait in line at the dealership to get a new one, your car is worth what you all decide what it’s worth. What it’s worth to you to part with it. What it will cost to replace when you realize you should have kept it. From what I see, this site has commendably captured 80-90% of the early Z Car owners on the planet. Show the power. It’s not a penny stock in quality and the builder cars are disappearing rapidly. I’m sure mine will be long gone before there are any results from a post like this, but do yourselves a favor, and save the future and your investments. I’ve paid my dues more than once. I sold a 1967 Corvette with 14,000 original miles on it several years early for $3000. I see nice early Z cars bringing really good prices in the not too distant future. Make any sense? Since parts have gone up 300%, you should all raise the value (in your mind) of what your car is worth by 300% whether you plan on selling it or keeping it. Your opinions on this thread will be valued and educational.

I did say... to someone that wants one. Why do you all want to kill yourself when someone implies that your own cars might be worth what you have in them? I don't get it. It's like "no they're junk and we're dumb for owning them and they will never be worth anything". They are great cars. And hopefully some day, when there are only a few left on the planet you will realize that.