florian

Today I have this question: Was the NY show really just in April? And if Goertz starts his legend there, why does CAR Magazine come out a month before? Or is that another show on the flyer?

For sure he did! On his golden toilet in the year 1952, somewhere in Italy!

That's the same with "Goertz designed the Porsche 911". And that, although at that time at most the 901 was on the way... But that is not the point here 🙂

In fact, I also stumbled across the photos from the 1970 Auto Show earlier. So that might actually have been the order. Auto Show > Car magazine Nevertheless, I continue to search. Between 70 and 74 is a long time 😉

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Hi Martin, yes, this thread will wake dogs and open old wounds. But I don't want that. As I said, my only interest is to find the first publications in Germany and Europe. I think everything else has been said 100x anyway. 🙂

Hello together, so far I've only been a silent reader here and haven't contributed much to the community yet. I would like to change that. I myself have had 4 Zs, own a Cherry E10 van and have been infected with this virus for a very long time through my family (we have been driving Nissan/Datsun since the 70s). That's why I also founded the German platform www.datsun-autowerk.com. One big task was to describe the Goertz story a bit better and in detail (www.graf-goertz.de) . I learned a lot from this forum and talked to Alan and Carl. One thing in particular interested me: How early did the newspapers start telling this fairy tale? I came to the following sources: USA: Car&Driver in 1978 (full article: https://datsun-autowerk.com/dokumente/zeitungsartikel-car-driver-november-usa-1978) UK: Car magazine in 1970 And Germany? In the land of the count? So far this was rather unknown. However, I found two newspapers from 1974 in my archives that report on the 240Z and, according to my research, mention Goertz for the first time. I'd like to show you photos of them - I think others will be interested, too. But if you know any other German and/or European sources before 1974, I would be very happy for photos of them! Many greetings, Florian auto motor und sport - 01 1974 "Für das Styling des 240Z ist Graf Goertz verantwortlich – jener hakennasige Adelige, der in den fünfziger Jahren den BMW 507 zeichnete." "Count Goertz is responsible for the styling of the 240Z - the hook-nosed aristocrat who designed the BMW 507 in the 1950s." Full article: https://datsun-autowerk.com/dokumente/zeitungsartikel-auto-motor-und-sport-02-1974-de rallye racing – 02 1974 "Schöpfer dieses ganz und gar unjapanisch aussehenden Autos ist der Deutsche AIbrecht Graf Goertz, ein Industrie-Designer. Er lieferte den Karosserieentwurf für diesen erstmals 1969 vorgestellten Sportwagen." "The creator of this entirely un-Japanese looking car is the German AIbrecht Graf Goertz, an industrial designer. He provided the body design for this sports car first introduced in 1969." Full article: https://datsun-autowerk.com/dokumente/zeitungsartikel-rallye-racing-02-1973-de-gewonnen-im-k-o-system-ein-italiener-aus-tokyo

This is the Nissan spare parts mascot from the 80s and 90s.

Hello together! I would like to introduce myself a little at the beginning - even though I have been a silent reader here for many years. I think it's great what knowledge and helpfulness is here and I would like to contribute a little. My name is Florian, I'm from Germany and have owned my first Z for 14 years. I have been infected with the Datsun virus since birth, as my family has been driving Datsuns since the 1970s. It all started with the Cherry E10, the F2, Sunny etc.... Until last year I had a 240Z, a 260Z and a 280Z. But now I only have the 260Z and the 240Z, and a Cherry E10 van. Out of this love for this brand, I founded the Instagram channel "Datsun Autowerk" (http://instagram.com/datsun.autowerk/), on which I try to bring as many exciting details as possible to the fans of these wonderful cars closer and would like to tell the one or other story that hardly anyone knows. My current topic is about the Japanese horn pads, which have changed very often. Unfortunately, however, I can hardly find well recognizable original documents from which a real system comes out and I would like to ask if you know accurate details of it. I have already documented the following things and I hope that with your help I can close the open gaps. The first "series 1" cars with L20 engine have a Z on the horn with a blue background. The Z432 (not the R), on the other hand, had a white Z with a red background. But from the so-called series 2 from 71 (here ZLS30/ZS30S/HS30 seem to have gotten a change in each other months) there was a change. In general, a small horn symbol was added. In addition, on the HS30 models with L24 engine, the white Zs were now designed with a blue background. And the steering wheels, of course, also got the holes in the spokes at that time. But now I'm starting to have some questions. Unfortunately, I can not find a bulletproof photo of a Z432 in series 2. In the photos, the Z symbol could also be blue, or has no color. Finally, this leads to the fact that I have the following open points: - Do all Zs from series 2 have the blue Z with horn symbol? - Or does the Z432 really have a white Z without colored background? - And: Does it follow that from the model change in 73 (different dashboard, door panels etc) all Zs are blue? - But what happens in the model change from S30 to S31? It seems to me that after that all Z symbols no longer have a colored background. Here is a photo of a reproduction horn button. I could imagine that they took the last model of the horn as a base and therefore it has no color, which would confirm my thesis from above. On the left the blue Z, original. On the right the colorless Z, reproduction: Thank you so much for reading all the way here. And thanks for all the help!