Everything posted by SteveJ
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Cody's Goon
Apparently DQ also has an article on grafting in the tach from an S110 200SX. There are several NOS tachs on ebay now. It's not cheap, but it would probably be a fix Cody could enjoy for a long time.
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Factory Service Manual question
@Terrapin Zis correct. Those connectors are also color coded. C1 is blue as indicated on the wiring diagram. Another convention, knowing which side has the male pins: So in the wiring diagram: The male pins should be on the engine harness side, and the female pins should be on the body harness. If you see how the connector is shown in the wiring diagram, there are no wires going to where the Xs are.
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Factory Service Manual question
Can you tell us the year FSM?
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Cody's Goon
Not surprisingly, there was no change. But I did take the time to mark the polarity on the tachometer wires to make it easier to identify which wire goes where in the future. I couldn't find my red electrical tape (that had been sitting in the same place in the garage for about 10 years until I reorganized last year), but I did find some red heat shrink that fit over the spade connector. At least I had fun testing. I'm interested in Bruce's analysis. I could do a visual on the discrete components, but I think Bruce has better skills in that realm.
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Cody's Goon
I'll try wiring it like it suggests on Dime Quarterly, and if it doesn't behave better, I can send it to you.
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Cody's Goon
This article on Dime Quarterly is interesting: http://dimequarterly.blogspot.com/2011/08/tech-how-to-510-factory-tachometer.html It says the sensing should be done on the negative side of the coil, and it does mention polarity for the sensing. I'm not sure if I will have time to run another test today. We'll see.
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Cody's Goon
I doubt it's resistance in the ignition circuit. It would have to be something internal to the tachometer. I don't know enough about inductive loop tachometers to say what, though.
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Cody's Goon
Also a friend who used to own a 260Z had his tachometer repaired at Bob's Speedometer. https://www.bobsspeedometer.com/ I think you have choices.
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Cody's Goon
I ran a couple of more tests. Reversed polarity - Tachometer did not register at all. Original polarity - Tachometer in car registers just as it should. Tachometer on multimeter put in 4 cylinder mode - 510 tachometer seems to be reading about 1/10 of the multimeter. The needle did appear to indicate proportionally.
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Cody's Goon
They were in series. That would be the same current since neither should be a load. I might be able verify that with an oscilloscope.
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Cody's Goon
Yes. One thing I didn't experiment with was polarity. I can run more tests tomorrow.
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Cody's Goon
I'll have to see if she's up for an overnight. She's working again, so she has been a little tired...okay, a lot tired. She did seem tempted by the chance to be around dogs, though.
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Cody's Goon
In looking at the 510 wiring diagram, for a manual transmission wagon, I think this is how the wiring is without the tachometer. BW comes off the ignition switch and goes to the fuse box. While one branch goes to a fuse holder, another branch goes to the ballast resistor via a fusible link. From the ballast resistor, the wire is BL. The BL wire goes to coil positive. When starting, the BL wire is hot from the ignition switch. With the tachometer, I think this might be how the wiring should be BW comes off the ignition switch and goes to the fuse box. While one branch goes to a fuse holder, another branch goes to the ballast resistor via a fusible link. From the ballast resistor, the wire is BG (maybe?). The BG wire should go to the dash for the tach and come out BL. The BL wire goes to coil positive. This may be backwards. The challenge is that I have yet to find a 510 wiring diagram that shows the tachometer and is very clear on the wiring. The one I used to find the BG wire color leaves much to be desired. It was created by a 3rd party. What looked to be a Datsun FSM BE section didn't even show the ballast resistor. It might require that I pay you a visit to work that out, @Patcon. B - Black L - Blue G - Green W - White @Patcon There is a place not too far from me that does car instrument repair. http://www.hampspeedometer.com/ You might want to see if they can test/fix the tachometer. Datsun_510_Wiring_Diagram_1971_Wagon.pdf
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Cody's Goon
While I said the wrong thing in the video, off camera I put the meter in 4 cylinder mode and found out that the 510 tach should have registered higher.
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Cody's Goon
A while back, @Patcon sent me a 510 tachometer to test before he and Cody attempt to install it in the car. It's similar to the 240Z tachometer with the inductive loop and the power. I finally got the testing up to the top of my list, and today was a great day to be in the garage with the summer heat not as strong as usual. I wired the tach into the ignition of the 240Z. I deleted the ballast resistor when I installed the Pertronix last year, so I could unplug the bullet connector joining the black/white wire to the green/white wire. I tapped that circuit for tachometer power, too, grounding the tach on the strut tower with a clip lead. The tachometer does respond to changes in engine speed but not much nor rapidly. I'm not sure if it was an impedance issue for that tachometer since the coil is only 1 ohm. I neglected to look at the tachometer in the car while testing since I had a meter connected to give me a reading. In normal operation, the tachometer in the 240Z works fine. So I can see that the tachometer works, but it doesn't work great. I'm not sure if it was something I did or something with the tachometer that caused the results. What do you think, @Captain Obvious? @Zed Head, do you see anything? Back of tach Connected to the Z Wiring at the ignition And here's the video
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I thought I was done with Z cars
Yep. That's the kinky part of engine porn.
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Overheating Only Under Load
An air pocket would reduce heat transfer, and the reading would go down. The sender works by decreasing resistance in proportion to the increase in temperature. Do what Steve @madkaw said.
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I thought I was done with Z cars
Now I have to get some kleenex to wipe up the oil that I spilled on the floor. 😉
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1977 280z clock issue #xx of yy
@zclocks Ron, do you have an answer?
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Wall Art
Who is looking for some wall art? https://www.sportscarart.com/product/datsun-240z/ https://www.sportscarart.com/product/bre-datsun-240z/ For the BRE design, the artist consulted with Ron Carter, Randy Jaffe, Peter Brock, and John Morton, so there was quite an effort to get the details right.
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Build out/Pricing available on the 2023 Z
I don't mind waiting. The early birds can help find the problems for Nissan before I buy.
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Brake and Fuel Lines Braided Loops
Pseudo AN fittings (hose clamps) https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07KLJSVKK/ AN hose to hard line adapters https://www.jegs.com/i/JEGS/555/110557/10002/-1 You can even replace the SU banjo fittings with AN banjo fittings. https://www.summitracing.com/parts/ear-at807691erl?seid=srese1&gclid=CjwKCAjw0dKXBhBPEiwA2bmObUdWw3ZXoVZg9t8sVxlQMFPw1q4Nr-rL82MjCkkosyN3yLs8j0bBNhoC-ewQAvD_BwE
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Oil pressure gauge says no oil pressure.
Remove the wire from the oil pressure sender and short the wire to the chassis. The best way to do this is have a wire with an alligator clip on one end and a normal male bullet connector on the other end. Clip the wire to the shock tower or negative terminal of the battery and connect the bullet to the wire for the oil pressure sender. Go in your car. Put the key in ON (don't start the car) and watch the oil pressure gauge. If it shoots up, you probably have a bad sender. Definitive diagnosis would be to confirm with a mechanical gauge. See this thread for info on installing a mechanical gauge:
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Build out/Pricing available on the 2023 Z
https://www.nissanusa.com/shopping-tools/build-price?models=nissan-z&modelYear=current-year&fbclid=IwAR3VhDgFxlqXCyDxa7czP5UL5ZPug_uOvxB9UUFeursKsFuBawUUdfZ67Bw I'll wait until they have the color I want. Two sources in Nissan said it is coming.
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reproduction 240 dash
And the link I provided is also for Hung Vu for the people who do not use Facebook.