Howdy all im new here but ive just read your discussion on ricers and how external mods really do make your car go faster :stupid: the best way to prove that they dont is buy absolutely flogginf them off the lights. I really do enjoy pulling upto the lights and some fool in a really done up civic or toyota just sits there revving. by the time they are in third gear usually im 3/4 of the way through first and in front unless they have a turbo. (i have the 3 spd auto on the end of my mildly worked L28) They can spend as much money on their cars as they want. i will always enjoy the load roar of my datto over any 5 inch mufflers drone usually followed by a brap sound upon gear change. Anyway GO THE DATTO Jim The Cat (260z 2+2)