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And that's the correct way, if you look in the factory parts manuals it shows chassis ranges, but also production dates as guides for part no's. If you called a dealer and said it was a series 1 you needed a part for, they may send you the wrong part!

Heathen!

My dealer fitted aircon in the 71 240z... Controls sit on side of console. Passenger foot well. Compressor sits on bracket under airbox. Condenser and radiator set up. Firewall doesn't use piping like the Fairlady Z models. Instead there is 2 holes under the battery.

I wish there was reproduction carpets exactly in the style of the originals like your photo Kats. I think my 73 240z I bought in the late 90s had the original carpets still but they were begging to disintegrate and everytime I'd move them in and out of the car there would be black bits of carpet left all over the floor. It was frustrating, but they fit perfect in the car. So far no aftermarket floor carpet has fit as nicely.. I never knew they had an inspectors tag on it either. Cool.

Looking at the air con install my 71 240z appears to have a dealer fitted system that is very similar. Let me take some photos of how it's all routed.

I just like the fact that this sale has blown up major news outlets .. https://www.businessinsider.com/pristine-1971-datsun-240z-sold-for-a-record-breaking-price-2020-1

I can't like your post because this site throttles how much I can like stuff ;). I have actually seen this panel before in a Fairlady Z that Hung had, I will ask him for photos of it again. I had never seen it before. He said it was factory air-con and I was skeptical because I'd never seen it in a '240z' before. Certainly feel it's almost a necessity in today's summer climates.

Interesting, I always thought Air Con was an after thought on early S30Z's which was later revised in 1974 with later style dashboard change. Hence why so many had "dealer" optioned aircon, but it appears it was a consideration from the beginning perhaps? I think you've mention in the past that some HS30-H's had special aircon ducting up front in the Gnose portion of the nose. Was there a factory fitted Air Con set up? Any photos of it?

North American cars from my understanding had them "revoked" due to different state laws (perhaps a Federal law) around the safety of a hand throttle. So although the cars had an allocation for the hand throttle. I heard they were removed once they arrived in the continent. Some cars escaped that scrutiny and survived with hand throttles in place. Australian market cars had them for 70 and 71 models up until the console change over to the later style version. However we found an exception in my 71 240z which was/is a factory auto car. @HS30-H had discussed that this may have been due to the auto box and removed as a safety measure because you can't simply press the clutch in to disengage the drivetrain. I wonder if these are for the S20 motor heater hoses? You should be able to retrofit the throttle cable set up to these cars. Like I said, AU market HS30's had these in place up until the 72 model came in. But that's my sticking point on the "series 1" moniker. It doesn't really mean anything when you look at these cars in the context of a global market. It doesn't really mean anything in the context of the US/NA market either, but some try and bend it to their will with terms like "series 1.5" haha. AU markets (HS30) cars in most cases got neither the defogger or parker lamp switches, so had 2 block off plates. With regard to that vinyl/sticker. Sadly I found part of mine got hoovered up while cleaning the dirt and grime out of my 71. I may end up fitting the hand throttle though anyway... Since I like it. ?

Plus don't have to refinance the house just to pay for the service costs. ?

I tend to agree, although I don't think there are many S30Z's out there in that condition unrestored. There was a time where these cars were almost worth nothing - especially in North America and there was little incentive to cherish them in this manner. So I'm not sure when we will see a comparable car again? Plus restored vs unrestored are 2 very different kettle of fish.. Can you restore an S30Z to as good as new or even better? Absolutely.. is that what a collector is after? Hard to say.. Then again if people are willing to pay this much for a documented Rolex... I guess the sky is the limit? https://www.9news.com.au/world/rolex-bought-in-1974-auction-price-increases-and-shocks/98c72b0d-075e-428e-8955-f2805cb607d9

Jokes on them, since it's actually a Dino, in the same way a Datsun is a "Nissan". :). I don't know where you find the patience to argue such points with folks who have already made up their own minds. My thoughts on this car is that the zinc/cad plating is too nice for a survivor to have never been redone. I feel like the car has had a few touch ups and light restoration to bring it to this condition. I could of course be wrong, but if it was really such a time capsule car used so sparingly then why were the parts changed that have been identified in this thread. It's a decal/sticker. I tend to agree, but it is possible that they have been well kept and hidden away all these years. A recent deceased estate in Australia (Benalla which is quite a remote area in Victoria) meant a few cars were pulled from storage (not really a barn) with very low miles. https://photos.app.goo.gl/CWdhoXxY9WjdXoKE2 https://www.whichcar.com.au/features/brand-new-ford-xc-falcon-500-panel-van-auctioned https://www.viczcar.com/forums/topic/17311-cars-for-sale-3rd-party-sites-ebay-carsales-etc/?do=findComment&comment=185723 However NB: the zinc/cad plating is not anywhere near as bright as on this 907 Green 240z on BAT. Either way it's still as Kats points out a beautiful specimen, but keeping any car in pristine condition over 50 years without nicks, bumps, scrapes etc.. is very hard. Even if you don't have kids around. ?

I wish there was a way to preserve the look of freshly yellow cadmium plated parts. But I wouldn't regret using your cars either. I noticed these on HS30 00150 too! I thought it meant the car had been repaired before. So this is good to see and know about as being "normal". The car has been in a nudge on the passenger side, but not enough to disturb the radiator support. The driver side is still as OEM as new.

Yep. it's a double-edged sword as I've always said. Increase in value is good if you intend to sell, but more of an issue if you intend to enjoy and use it. It's not just rarity of parts, unwanted attention, but insurance premiums rise. It also makes the prospect of restoring incomplete examples much more daunting. I look at the prices for early 240z parts and cringe at times. Just makes me glad my early cars are mostly complete and original. Since sourcing and paying for the individual parts can blow a restoration budget out of whack beyond initial assessment, especially if your restoration takes 5 or more years, it's enough time for some items to double-treble or quadruple in price compared to the time of the vehicles purchase. Having said all that I'm glad these cars are starting to get the recognition they finally deserve, for too long they were disregarded and too many of them sacrificed for the wrong reasons. And it does help justify the money invested in the restoration process.

True, another example is the Samuri Z's in the UK. They have far less appeal outside of Europe/UK. A car like the Z423-R however has global appeal.

Only I disagree with you on this, the most desirable models fetching record prices does trickle down to the lower specification models. I've seen this time and again. Just a few examples: 1. Air cooled 911s get mental money, the humble 912s climb in value. 2. Skyline GTRs (R32) start selling for double what they did a few years ago, R33's start to climb in anticipation of 25 year rule in US of A impacting the values of all R32/R33/R34 models. Don't get me started on R34 GTR values, the rarest specs are selling for crazy money, but even the lowest non V-Spec cars are getting crazy money. 3. C10 GTRs are now over quarter million mark and the humble non-GTRs (clones) are asking $100k+ 4. Spirit R and Type RZ FD RX-7's go for $100k+ and lower spec Type RB, RS, Bathurst R etc.. models all increase. This is because those who want the "special" versions or higher spec cars are priced out, so they look at the next most desirable options and may a Premium for them in a rising market. It trickles down to the lower specification cars. Early 240z's fetch a Premium over later 72/73 models. But a rising tide as Warren Buffet says lifts all boats. So later 240z/260z and even 280z's have increased in value in the past 3-4 years (in some cases doubling in value). I agree that rusty buckets shouldn't increase in value much, given the work needed and potential return on investment being poor. But good quality cars will always increase in value (IMHO) given that cost of certain parts continues to go up, labor costs increase and supply drops over time. At least until a demographic shift causes certain marques to fall out of favour and in some cases (50/60s cars) can be bought for a song compared to their restoration costs.

Agree, and I'd rather an OEM factory car over the MZR offering myself.

In Australia we've had "grey" imports for a number of years (since the early 90s) and many of the Grade R or lower quality cars were shipped to Australia from Japan and patched up to look better than they really were or had their odometers tampered with and wound back (high mileage examples). The R32s in particular were at 1 point very cheap, a good 1 was as low as $10,000 AUD back in 2010. So many of these cars have had rough lives, patchy history and or accident damage, non-original motors (swapped out), etc.. the crazy thing now is that these cars are now selling for $40,000-$50,000 AUD. I see a lot of the rougher examples showing up in North America now also, but the truly good ones that go to auction in Japan sell for good money which stuns many onlookers, but I suspect the only reason for surprise is that many people don't realise the difference between a good original example and the ones with questionable history.

It is an odd cognitive dissonance I find, because if you mention a more expensive marque such as a Ferrari GTO. Suddenly nobody advocates sticking a modern V8 under the hood. It seems if something is relatively affordable it should be open slather, to chop up, modify and change from its original state rather than appreciate for what it is or was. Sadly.

Seems to be happening in many Western Countries. Who would have thought that setting interest rates super low for so long would have such an adverse impact on everyone's living standards? I think related to my above comment that low interest rates are contributing to asset price inflation, that includes assets such as classic cars. GTRs of all shapes and sizes seem to be surging in value in the last few years. I think because of the North American 25 year rule opening up imports of R32, R33 (soon) and R34 GTRs (are being stored until eligible). I can't blame them, the GTRs were phenomenal cars and as you probably know Kats the R32 GTRs had a very successful racing history in Australia. I always liked them, but prices have gone nuts in the last few years. Nissan has started to remake the RB26 and parts for the 90s era Skylines. Even my Nissan Stagea (260rs) seems to be going up in value. I think this has increased the value of earlier Skylines and interest also. As people look to the original cars. I've noted even the non GTRs (KGC10)s are now $100k+ AUD for a good replica. DR30's and R31's have been getting more interest also. The humble Datsun 240K (2 Door Coupes) are selling for more than S30Z's in Australia. Despite (IMHO) the Z's being better cars. https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/details/1970-nissan-skyline-2000-gt-manual/SSE-AD-6323508/?Cr=1 ($150k asking price for C10 GTR replica). Of course it's not just the GTRs that have been going up, my FD RX-7 has also trebled in value since 2010, NSX and Supra's have gone nuts too. I think in part it's a demographic shift and the impact of movies like Fast and Furious franchises, low interest rates but also limited supply of certain cars and the analog feel of these older models which lack CANBUS nonsense that makes it hard for a backyard mechanic/hobbyist to tinker with them. The 90s was a Golden era of Japanese cars and I think the interest and price rise of the 90s era stuff has piqued interest in the earlier origin models.

Imagine how much the 432-R would be worth if it was blessed by Mr K's signature? PS: Looks like the Boomers have figured out how to "meme" hehe. Or are you Gen X? I probably shouldn't ask. :). Waiting for the Jalopnik article to write about the "crazy" price paid for a "240z"...and all the LS swaps are better/faster comments on Facebook from the philistines. Can't wait.

Kats, how does 1 remove that 1/4 plastic panel without cracking it? These old plastics are so fragile now and require quite a contortionist method of removal that it's almost impossible not to crack them!

Glad I found this thread, 1 of the only items not working on my 71 240z is the Antenna or Antenna switch (I suspect it's the antenna). So this thread I'm sure is going to be incredible useful.

Hey Kats, Like you, I always liked the look of the Type Q carbs. I think they have a nice aesthetic appeal. I would use them on your hot rod S20 build, but leave your Z432 as original as possible. It's beautiful as it is. Many owners of U20 Roadsters remove the Type Q's for later carbs, which I think is a shame. I like to see the original carbs on a U20 motor. But not many people think the way I do when it comes to that level of originality with the old Roadsters. Very hard to find a good original car here, many have been messed about with over the years.

Thank you Kats, but I don't think it will help me. I have a switch like it, with the inside plastic piece broken in 2. The switch itself is ok, but it won't "rock" up and down now as a result. Unless someone has plastic printed this part, which I would do if it was 1 piece but I'm not sure if it is missing any parts. I tried to keep what fell out when I pulled it apart.