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metalman5117: Many other countries in the world feel that we are wrong in this action. Should we force our will on all countries of the world? I say No. I agree that the UN has been far too lenient in dealing with the government in Iraq. Still, we are over-ruling an international body and telling the rest of the world that we know what is best for the entire world. To my mind, that is setting us up to be looked at as an arrogant, agressor which will win us no friends and will probably cause us to loose stature as a "country of law" in the world. That is what concerns me most.

biker: The examples #2, and 3 that you site are points where you and I certainly agree. Regarding the 12 & 16 year olds, at that age one can be learned enough to begin to undestand the issue, but obviously these were not. Probably was there to hang out with friends, or brought to the demonstration by parents who didn't have brains enough to educate their children. Regarding the car on the bridge, I'd say impound the vehicle for 30 days, at the owners expense, AND arrest the driver & dancers. No negotiations necessary. Immediate action required. end of story. I have no problem with the statement in point #1, so long as he referred to lawful, peaceful demonstrations.

I apologise if I'm being harsh in my previous comments. Many of the people complaining about the "protesters" have never experienced "serving your country, and protecting our freedoms" through the military. It often times seems that their voices are the loudest, when most of them have no concept of what it means to defend the freedoms that we enjoy. Including, but not limited to the freedom of speech. I do understand that combat is sometimes necessary. Also, I have no doubt that Saddam had been playing a shell game with WMD's. Moving them, and hiding them from the UN inspectors. It is just hat I feel that, at this time, the way to deal with that is through international law. When the SOB actually threatens the US in a meaningful way, I just might advocate turning Iraq into a "lovely glass bowl". But not yet. Peace!

Just with those "Stump humpers" with whom you disagree. It isn't the same thing. You still seem to advocate "beating" other people who you disagree with. Freedom of speech is guarenteed to ALL by our Bill of Rights. It is not selective.

Well, as one of many who served his country to protect the rights of the protesters, and all who live in our country (including you also) to voice your opinion, all I can say is...........Talk such as your statement espousing "find(ing) stump humpers to beat on" is cheap talk. Perhaps you'd benefit from the opportunity to learn what it really means to serve your country, and to fully understand the freedoms that they defend.

How about a link? or at least a URL..............

If you feel really strong about it, all branches of the military are accepting applications. They could use a few more big strong men. Your statement makes you sound like just the type the Marines want.

Very well said Enrique. All of the people participating in protests AND those complaining about protesters should be required to read and understand this statement.

Imagine how dirty HE (and the other slime ball that I mentioned) should feel. They both need a shower and a wire brush scrubbing.

I agree that I'd like to know where people that post are living, but if that field is made mandatory for resgistration on the site, the majority of those people who currently do not complete that information, will simply fill it in with meaningless info such as "God's Green Earth" or "Paradise on Main Street". This happens on eBay all the time. Even when a specific geographical location is listed you cannot be sure that it has any basis in reality. Just something to think about.

The commercialization of the war has started. Some company in Taiwan is selling rice crackers packaged as shown. This is my last post here, I promise!

Talk to us about how much oil the US gets from Iraq 1 year after the war is over. The story will be much different my friend! If the Iraqi people will be so much better off without Saddam (I've no doubt that they will be) why aren't more of his subjects joining the "liberating forces" to help oust him? We are being shot at from the front and the rear! I'll tell you why: As much as they may hate Saddam for the things his regime does to them, they also hate us for sticking our nose in their country. Call me an ostrich, but I care more about the people in my own country who could certainly benefit from the $75 Billion that Bush wants to wizz away halfway around the world. If you would like to contribute, I'm sure he'll cash your check!

I don't owe my freedom to the oil companies,and the fact that there are some people getting more wealthy at the expense of the average Joe doesn't make me Proud of the system that allows this to occur. When will the people learn. Clinton was/is/always will be a jerk and pi$$ poor example of a President. Bush is no better. He lied about his drug use, and was a drunk for many years. If you listen to him speak (or mis-speak) you'll see that he's a mental midget as well. That "idiot" at the Oscar's is some one who I disapprove of also. His right to speak however, is protected, and outside of Hollywood, he probably did his career more harm than good by climbing up on his soapbox. The US does not HAVE to "do the dirty work" or "babysit the rest of the world". We choose to do so. Carl Dwight: I'll help you paint up signs and meet you in front of the Arco station! halz: In a country as large as the US, people have no choice but to pay for gas. It is a necessity of life. Which is why the oil companies are constantly raping us for extra-ordinary profits. The fact hat the "producer's have always played this game" doe not make it any more palatable or justified.

Your gas is more expensive largly due to the taxes placed on it by your government. When the taxes stay the same and the price rises in spite of the raw material costs going down, people DO have a right to complain!

91 Octane has dropped to $2.39 / gal. in the last week. About 6 cents change. Still way over priced compared to opther area's of the country.

hmsports, biker, 1 bravo 6, Arizona240, Sean Desart, Caen Fred, tanny, beandip, MikeW, GunnerRob, Stryder, and all the rest of you that are or have participated in the thread: As much as I wish that everyone could reach agreement on the causes, justification, legitimacy, and value of fighting this war, really; It isn't going to happen. We have exposed each other to our own views, and opinions for over 10 days now. I'm glad that we have done so. I still feel as you all know that I do, and I believe that most of you also still feel the same way that you did on day #1. That is OK. None of us knows for sure that we are "more correct" than anyone else. Time alone will tell us the answer. Hopefully we have all been enlightened to varying degrees, and at a minimum understand a bit more of where the others are coming from in their differing views. I enjoy these types of discussions more than you all can know. Everyone who wishes to participate has the chance to get their opinion out here without being interupted, or shouted down. We can all re-read the posts to understand each other to the best of our abilities. It's great. Thanks to all of you for your participation. I'm going to TRY to kick back and get back to posting on Z subjects, and let this one go. Not sure how sucessful I will be, but that shouldn't stop you all from continuing to discuss it if you wish. I support the men and women of all nations that are putting themselves in harms way, and wish for a quick end to the bloodshed. For all of our sake. Thanks guys, & Peace to ALL! Carl

If you believe that, I have beach front property to sell you in New Mexico. In case you hadn't noticed, the pump prices routinely climb immediately when "uncertainty of supply" issues hit the news. Long before the oil purchased at increased prices hits the US shores. On the flip side, when the per barrel price of oil drops like it has in the past 2 weeks, the price remains at the elevated levels for a long time, usually well after the lower priced crude has hit the beach. Gas prices are set by the Oil Companies acting in colusion with each other to squeeze the public for all they are worth. If you lived in Caifornia where the mergers oil of companies over the past few years has virtually eliminated competition, you would see first hand the situation that we experience every day. Bush's friends who run the oil companies from the executive board rooms know that the Bush government will not act to stop the price fixing unless the heat is turned on HIGH to force their hand.

And the other half are in the board rooms of the oil companies. Guess who's pal's those folks are? Yup, Bush's.

I think that is what we are discussing. Whether or not this fight is one worth the cost to the people doing the fighting. We, the USA, Brits, and the Aussie's are already free. It is the Iraqi's who will become "free", yet do not seem very interested in waging a battle to achieve that freedom. What I wonder is, if we are fighting the oppression of the Iraqi people by Saddam as some people claim, why didn't we (US, Brits, Aussies) intercede when the Tutisi's and the Hutu's were slaughtering each other a few years back? Were their lives worth any less than those of the Kurds, and other Iraqi people? Or was there some other thing to be gained in this fight that wasn't available in Rawanda? Black Gold? Texas Tea? Contracts to Rebuild? Our intervention in stopping atrocites, seems to be related to what WE can gain rather than the actual stoppage of carnage being perpetrated on innocents.

I think you guys have confused this thread with another. This one began with a parody of world leaders espousing views about the Iraq situation. "The those long tedious emails that seem to have a lot of passion in them" are simply our discussion of the same topic. There is room for another thread if you wish to start one.

Bet that place smells good!

If we all jumped on the bus, the government would just jack up the price of Bus tickets to replace the lost fuel tax income. They are going to "milk" us one way or another.

Thanks to your export the Croc Hunter, I'm familiar with the "By Crikey" one, but can you translate the other two? Here in CA we have quite a few queens, but they don't talk like that!

Rick: Next time how about we change the subject to..............Girls! A subject we all can sink our teeth into! (except maybe Bonnie):stupid:

George: I have a method for your consideration to remove the undercoat. I've done it this way and it works well for me. I use an hand-held hiar dryer gun to warm an area so that the material is softened, in the other hand I have a 2 inch wide paint scraper, and I scrape it off as it softens. There will still be tiny bits of it left, but they wipe off with a rag soaked in Acetine, or other solvent. If you are considering the POR15 treatment, remove ALL of the undercoat, follow the POR15 instructions TO THE LETTER, and you will be amazed at how well it works. After the POR treatment, you could re-apply undecoat as a sound deadener & additional protention of the metal if you wanted.