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I would vote for the GOOD friend or a welding shop. I cannot weld too, and I am certainly not going to learn for just those small things. We as hobbyists, we are looking up to this rust as to climbing a mountain. For a ‘ordinary’ welder or a person who does it often it is a piece of cake. Lunch time job!! It amazes me always when I see an American floor, you know why? Always without rubber plugs. What would be worse; the water coming as flood through the holes. And does not go away that easily. OR a little water from wet shoes etc??

I can not say much about this statement but already back in the ‘72 Acropolis rally Mehta and Easter drove a 240Z without ANY Datsun sign???? See picture. This was One year before the Bandama rally, so why not a blue one???

I had hopes Rolf would suggest one thing or two after the weekend. However, he did not so now we can easily say the black and white picture is from Raudet and the blue one is from Metha. With no contra analysis, it is hereby final! ROFL

Alan, Do not mix up these two stories! Quote above is from the 1972 rallye. Raudet is driving in '72 >unfortunately perhaps your picture? As the website claims The blue one is driving at the ’73 perhaps by Mehta???????????? I'm going to sleep

The continuation of the course, which connects Abidjan to Bouaké, proves to be a new martyrdom. The track is initially particularly battered; of high grasses camouflage the many traps of them. Further, it improves but is transformed into corrugated sheet. To limit the vibrations, the cars slip by around 160 km/h. Many competitors are embourbent in the first kilometres, of which Chasseuil on Datsun which will not be able to get clear. Nicolas gives up because of a breaking of steering gear box. Vanson enlarges the list of the abandonment’s at Renault. Peugeot loses Beltoise (breaking of driving support). As for Mikkola, it avoids on several occasions the setting except race because of an intervention on its car little before the departure of Abidjan, which made him lose 40 min. The prototype DS of Neyret faitmerveille on ground breaking at the beginning of Abidjan, Neyret knows a beautiful fright: by error, one pours a water jerry can to him in his tank! It will be able to continue, but must stop every 100 km to clean its candles, wastes time, and thus takes a 63 minutes penalty. It loses its first place with the profit of Mehta, but remains in fight for the final victory, because it has only five minutes of delay on the pilot of Datsun. Larrousse has great problems to join Bouaké. It starts by breaking a rod of direction then break down from alternator. Finally, it avoids the setting except race by the fact that this one... was lengthened three hours! Indeed, without this arrangement, only Neyret, Mehta, Fall, Mikkola and Raudet, are five competitors, could have continued! Bochnicek, Garlet, Karam, Larrousse, Claudine Trautmann, and Glass-maker are thus fished out. Rescapés are not any more but eleven! We are not whereas with the third of the test, a little less 1200km were traversed. The Citroen disappear In the stage Bouaké-DuékouéL' following stage, Bouaké - Duékoué, does not save obviously mechanics. The competitors leave the bush and cross a tortuous, piégeuse savanna. The track is perforated, crossed by bleedings or fords. The hecatomb continues. Bochnicek and Garlet on Citroen DS 23 know mechanical concern, Mikkola (Peugeot 504) breakage its suspension front. Just like Neyret (Citroen DS prototype) which, of end of force, thinks of giving up. But its team-member, Terramorsi, motivated in two, succeeds in clogging the escape of hydraulic fluid, after two hours of efforts. Mow! The crew accumulated too much delay and arrives except times at Duékoué, after 800 kilometers without suspension! Larrousse throws sponge, driving support broken. As for Glass-maker (Renault 16), his cylinder head gasket returns the heart following a breakdown of water pump. Claudine Trautmann (Renault 16), victim of many punctures, is put except race... for five small minutes! Raudet (Datsun), except race also, however decides to him to continue, but it breaks little time after its gearbox. They are only three with to have arrived within the times, after 2300km traversed. Mehta (Datsun) is classified first in front of Fall (Peugeot) with 1h04 and Karam (Datsun) with 2h43.Raudet, author of an excellent course, is found with a failing transmission, causes its setting except race then of its final adoption Despite everything its experiment, Mehta will not come to end from this Bandama 72, literally infaisableDevant so many difficulties, which was to arrive, arrived! The following stage, Duékoué - Daloa, are fatal with the rescapés last, which know all their batch of mechanical concern or galère. Karam gives up. Mehta takes advance, but enlise in a mud pit. Fall arrives on the spot. The two crews succeed in extracting Datsun. That made more than 28 hours that Fall and Mehta lead almost without stopping. In the light of the headlights, the two cars progress painfully. The two crews help each other. They arrive together at Tabou, about midnight, with already... nearly twelve hours of delay! They are not at the end of their sorrows: a violent one storm bursts. The track is nothing any more but one immense mud pit. They continue thus during nearly three hours. Tired, and knowing that nobody any more will arrive at the end of the stage in times, Mehta prefers to stop to sleep before joining Daloa. Fall him is resigned and traversed the last 300 kilometres which separate it from the arrival of the stage, where nobody any more does not await it! The delay is too significant. The police chiefs left... Epilogue: The rally was thus found without competitor, whereas a third of the course still remained to be made!!! Vis-a-vis this exceptional situation, that to make? Wouldn't it be worth to better reward the last survivors, by taking for final classification the arrival with Duékoué? Especially when the accomplished human effort is carried out, because in addition to tiredness inherent in this type of test, the competitors moreover had to wipe violent one storms, thing rare at this season. It would not be the first time that a test would not go in its term, but that a classification would be established. One remembers a Turn of Corsica, in 1961, where similar case had ariseeed, following a snowstorm. Finally, the organizers decided anything to ratify whole! No prize list was established. The fourth edition of Bandama thus finishes in fish tail. It is also one consent of failure on behalf of the organization, which with too much wanting to exceed East African Safari rally ended up establishing a literally unfeasible course. In spite of that, extremely of a growing fame, Bandama was essential like a test headlight of the African continent. Moreover, the Côte d ‘Ivoire rally will integrate the championship of the world in 19 *** TRANSLATION ENDS HERE ***78 et ce jusqu'en 1992.

The rally of Bandama 1972 At the beginning of the Seventies, the African rallies are in full rise. East African Safari is already legendary. There remains the African rally most outstanding. Other rallies become extensive, like the rally of Morocco, that of New Caledonia or of South Africa Created in 1969, the rally of the Bandama-Marathon of the Côte d ‘Ivoire clearly seeks to compete with its model, East African Safari. The course of the edition 1972 is impressive. It consists of no special test. But the competitors must traverse the various stages at a mean velocity of 100km/h, which is difficult to respect because of the rough ground. The times of setting except race do not leave much margin. At the beginning of this 4000 km long test, one finds 43 crews. Several manufacturers are committed. Initially Peugeot, with ten prepared cars including four 504 with Sochaux for Beltoise, Fall, Counter, and Mikkola and one 304 for P. Palayer. Renault is not remains about it with eight R16TS allotted Gamet, Mons, to Nicolas, B Palayer, Reignier, Claudine Trautmann, Vanson and Verrier. The Citroen team as for it dispatches a prototype DS cut for Neyret (victorious of the preceding edition) whereas Bochnicek and Garlet have DS23 provided by the importer. Renault provided a large effort while not engaging less than eight R16TS Henri Pescarolo and Johnny Rives on Chrysler 180 face with these powerful French teams Datsun are armed best. Raudet and Sausset are engaged on 240Z. But especially, the factory engages officially two 1600SSS for Larrouse and Mehta, this last being a large specialist in East African Safari. In addition, local Chasseuil and three pilots among whom competitor Karam them also on 1600SSS. Chrysler (owner of Simca) is committed with two 180 for Pagani and Pescarolo and two 1100S controlled by Men from the Ivory Coast. In addition, let us announce the presence of Porsche 911S of Touroul. Course of the test: In order to establish the starting order, a prologue is organized. It is about a hill climb on beaten ground. Neyret on its half-compartment DS signs best time. Follow Touroul on Porsche and Mikkola on Peugeot. Neyret is satisfied, because it will be thus the first to be sprung, and will thus avoid being obstructed by the dust raised by cars preceding it. The first stages form a loop of 600 km on the basis of the surroundings of Abidjan and going back there. The first stage, Abidjan - Abengourou, starts with a very fast track. The test is of entry of play difficult, bus with heat, it is necessary to add the lack of visibility which had with dust. And in spite of that, the cars slip by to 120 - 130 km/h. This supported rate/rhythm, Porsche de Tourel will not have resisted a long time. It typed and broke an axle. It will not be able to continue. It is not only. For Regnier, the rally stops there: its R16 is on the roof! In Abengourou, only nine crews are in times, all the others are penalized! The tone is given. Mikkola carries out an excellent beginning of rallye Cela is not arranged in the second stage, Abengourou - Aboisso. The difficulty goes up of a notch. The competitors are inserted in the bush. The track narrows, skirts the border of Ghana. The night fell, which does not arrange the visibility, but it is necessary to continue at an intensive pace. The plate is severely reduced. The Chrysler 180 give up both, Pagani knowing a breakdown of battery and Pescarolo a breakage of fastener of suspension. Peugeot loses Guichet (engine failure) and P. Palayer (left). The 304 turned over of this last is struck by the 504 of Assef. Fortunately, nobody is wounded. At Renault, Gamet (breaking of the nose gear) and B Palayer (alternator) disappear, while Nicolas encounters difficulties with his clutch. On the whole, 18 teams throw sponge at the time of the first or the second stage. In Aboisso, nobody avoids the penalization. Neyret takes only 6 minutes and preserves the head at the general classification. Behind him, Mikkola limits the damage with 8 minutes, while Larrousse bails out 11 minutes. Behind, Chasseuil, Bochnicek, Mehta, Fall and Beltoise bail out from 21 to 27 minutes of penalty. Insufficiently prepared, Renault disappear the ones after the others

Hi guys, Don’t we have fun??? I received this poster, after waiting for a week! I had to go to work but wanted to let you know what I received!! First some data. Rolf, you are right about the poster it came from the magazine Rallye Racing February 1974. The story is of the rallye 28-30 December 1973. This will not say the poster is of this rallye but I suspect it is a ’73 participant, because the works 1800SSS at an other picture has the same start number layout . I also suspected this was the only Z taken part at the rallye……so it had to be Mehta and Billstram. However, as Alan suggest it could be a sneaky privateer! Indeed the mirrors are different; on the blue none, at Alan’s at least one. The additional spot lamps are not correct. The cowcatcher shape, drivers side, is not the same: at the blue there’s a curve, Alan’s is square. In addition, the blue one is thicker. The stickers at the bonnet have a huge difference; the blue has a big round white one and Alan’s has two small ones right and left and something behind the spot lamps?? Rolf mentioned a French entry, could be thru because the headlamps are typical yellow!! It’s hard to tell if the car has works wheels, can’t see. It sure has the large bottom plate. Just went for a search on bandama and look what I found http://www.team-frl.com/retro/retro6.html Amazing is Alan’s picture at this site, claiming it’s Raudet!!???><%%$:tapemouth

Hi all, Great news. I just received this morning a poster (A3) format, from the only rally Z participated in the rally. Driver was Shekhar Mehta and navigator Claes Billstam. They did not finish unfortunately. Look at the strange Cibie Porsche lamps at the bonnet and the incredible ‘cowcatcher’…

Thanks Jon, If Alan did not send the pictures of the real stuff, I probably bought the J plate. Now I can see the difference and I like to go for almost original. ‘Yours’ is missing a small horizontal line on top. It is a little weird how I work because a lot of people certainly do not know how the works car was equipped or looked like.:stupid:

This is great Alan! I always though the plates were stamped out but this is easy to replicate. I had my thoughts about the plate because if you drive on an island (Japan) you do not need one so therefore they must be hard to get. Some ‘work-san’ got the order “make a country plate for our cars abroad” and so hi did with what was at hand.

here is a better one!

Hi all, In completing my replica works rally car I am looking for a nationality plate from Japan. A metal one would be nice I will attach a picture so you all know what I mean.

Hi Ben, I like to point you to our ‘own’ rally forum we have at this club. Have a look at http://www.classiczcars.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=64 Here you will find many discussions about the rally cars. Even the RAC number 5, your picture, has been discussed there. Hi Alan, I agree of what you say about the car but how about the ‘mud flaps’ in front of this car? It looks to me they are safari option? Or aren’t they flaps at all…….:stupid: If you like to have a view at the victory lane of Datsun check my site below:classic:

Hi Ben, For myself I do not have any knowledge about this rally car. I think it is a private entranced car with options from a works car. That, you can see if you look at the front bumper. The mud flaps are common for a safari type car. I never heard of the SLB rally or any sponsorship like Bapal or Marpeixe. But who am I? (Sport Lisboa e Banfica) is in my opinion the football club of Benfica. If it really from Portugal, which I do not doubt, I suppose it is a private entrance in the TAP rally of Portugal likely in 1973 or 1974. Maybe Alan will read this and jump in?

Nice movie of a race between a 350Z, BMW M3, Honda S2000 en Porsche Boxter with a Nissan Skyline GT-R34 as camera car. You are going to love it! :love: http://300zx-twinturbo.com/vidz/350Z_TsukubaBattle.asf

A proceed with the making of the Monte bumper. Finally, I welded a strip of metal at the TR4 (or was it the 3?) rosettes (overrider). Next job was to cut out the wholes where the up and under bumper would fit in. This is also al lot of measurement. What you see on the picture are rosettes already de-chromed and rusty. I tried to lain the rosettes a little bit backwards and also tried to find a smooth rear end. They are ready to be chromed. See: http://www.z-point.nl/SLS/boulevard5.jpg Or see the rest of the pics http://www.z-point.nl/sls/sls.htm

Here’s an other one. Now you can see what’s going on there and more important what’s driving there!!! http://bagpuss.swan.ac.uk/dunk300zx/W_L_S/Nurburgring%20system%20of%20a%20down.wmv

Hi guys, If found a link to practice the RING!! http://bagpuss.swan.ac.uk/dunk300zx/W_L_S/Nurburgring%20lap%20one%20Annie.wmv You’re driving a twin turbo and you passing and getting passed. However, it’s an idea. The movie is about 34Mb BIG!

Rolf, I followed your instructions, nice girl. I do not think her friend knows what she is doing above his head. She even made her bra loss!! Naughty naughty! I did some calling to the festival organisation. The entree is 15 euro. Per round at the ring will cost you 15 euro. The ring 20km long, did I understand it good? I will call up some friend and see if they want to come.

Rolf, I can remember last year my fellow clubmembers drove their cars at the ring. I don’t the name or kind of event but is this THE event, to do it?

Hè guys, As far as I can see, there is something to do at the Ring next 14th September. Can anybody confirm this?

Alan, Great picture. It’s if Dominic is preparing for the hit.:nervous: Can’t recall I flew that high last weekend.:cheeky:

Hi Guys, The result after a very busy weekend. Last weekend we took part at the 11th Classic Scheveningen-Luxemburg-Scheveningen. A rally, 1350km long driven in three days. After the start at Friday 12.20 we drove, guided by ‘Bol/Pijl’ map, to the direction of the Haringvliet/Zeeland. It was mainly a quick route to get out of the busy ‘downtown’. There the rally really begun. I did not know the province Zeeland had so many roads. We stayed on track although we missed some markers. Along the route, the organisation pointed markers, time controls, and ‘self’ stamp markers. If you are good, you have them all, if you are less good………. As I said, we drove on a time schedule and we managed to stay in time arriving at the overnight stop in Brussels. The next morning it was an early start. Again we drove, guided by ‘Bol/Pijl’ map, to the ‘inland’ of Belgium. We started with regularity. This means a curtain distance with an average off 48kph and somewhere along the route, you are clocked. That is very precision driving I can tell! The first we screwed up, the second one, a very spectacular route for the driver, we did great only six seconds late! You can imagine driving though Belgium and Luxemburg will take some time and kilometres. Therefore, a big step further, we arrived at the Luxembourg. We parked the car at the main square and had for the local ‘china man’. The square stood full with all the 180 competitors, a great side! Again, on time we started after a break of two hours. Just before the word “Go” there was Japanese family and as we where equipped with our names in Japanese we ask the person to translate. Great was the hilarity when he spoke our names in broken English. He directed his wife and son in front of the car and made pictures!! We drove into the night. The ‘new’ four Cibie’s did their work good, a hugh pile of light stroke the road. Driving at night is always difficult but spectacular. Of course the organisation likes to confuse you, making tiny ‘de-tours’ in the route. Even the best will miss something, and so we did. Then you feel the pressure of the time schedule on you and under that pressure, you are going to make more mistakes. That is what we did. We missed our TC with at least 30 minutes. The regularity after that was also not one of the best. We agreed to go for the route (“fishbone”) and not for the time and so we did. Surprisingly we managed both until we past a muddy path, then it was over. Lost again! After all, we arrived at our overnight stop. Tired and disappointed we felt a sleep, it was two a clock in the morning. A new day, new chances. Lost time is lost time. You cannot do anything about it. It‘s one the rules the organisation made to avoid racing at the public road. That morning was not our morning if you know what I mean. The ‘urge to score’ was probably a little bit gone and so the mistakes came. Missing a TC and regularity brought us further down in the ranks. The entrance at Scheveningen made a lot good. The warm welcome was very nice. Our result is 65 of the 86 starters. 75 cars finished. http://www.historicrally.org/pages/sls/sportklasse-2003.htm www.z-point.nl/SLS/SLS.htm The car is save, sound, and ready to go for the new adventure.