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  1. I'm fairly new to this web site and have seen several articles on clocks. This is of particular interest to me as I do have some experience with total clock reconditioning. I've been repairing, refurbishing and specializing in 70-83 Datsun /Nissan clocks for the last 8 years and thought I would pass on several bits of trivia and technical information. I never really thought about NOT using oil on a clock as that seems to be common knowledge until a friend came to me years ago with a 240Z clock. Bill knew I worked on all sorts of electronic hardware and was soliciting my input. His problem was that his clock had stopped (like it was the only 240 clock that didn't work). I have a 75 280z and my clock has always worked. I was wondering why bills didn't? I took has clock apart and began to understand why. Bill said he had removed the clock and flushed it out with WD-40? and then lightly oiled all the components. The clock worked for several months and then quit and this was the second time for this occurance. After I looked at the clock in detail I could see why. The automotive environment is very tough on all the components and the most critical parts are hermetically sealed. The first generation 240Z Datsun clocks were not hermetically sealed and susceptible to all the dust, dirt, chemicals, humidity and temperature. JECO, the Datsun subcontractor, who built most of the Datsun clocks never used oiled for good reason. Oil attracts all the nasty contaminants that can wear out critical clock components and eventually grinds the clock to a halt. I know I know everyone always uses oil on their grandfathers clocks. If you think about it we change our engine oil which is filtered for the very same reason, so that the engine will last longer and not wear due to....the dirty oil. The first generation clocks (240z) have what's called a "NO LOAD" motor which keeps the main spring of this clock contiguously wound. The rest of the clock consists of gears, paws, and bearings that rotate and work in unison to move the clock hands. The problem is that any gear or bearing that produces friction slows the entire clock and if sever enough the clock will stop. Are you beginning to see a pattern here. Oil that is used to lubricate (all oil) coats the surface of moving parts and eventually starts to collect contaminants. Eventually this causes the viscosity (on a micro level) to thicken and produce resistance to the overall clock operation. In addition the change in temperature alone will change the oil viscosity. Believe me when I say it takes very very little resistance in any of the clock parts to stop this mechanism. When solvent other than alcohol is used to "flush" the clock all your doing is removing the contaminants, but when you apply oil you start the process all over again. If you don't mind removing your 240z clock every year or so then I guess that's ok. After helping Bill reinstall his clock I'd opt for a clock that would work forever (we did but that's another article). The 240z guys and girls have a rough time compared to rest of us removing and installing their clock. That is unless the dash is removed. This is what I have found works the best, denatured alcohol. You should remove each and every clock part, clean all parts with an artists brush, inspect the cleaned parts, and reassemble (NO OIL). Let me say that again...NO OIL.This can be a rather daunting task and is not for the weak of heart or those with limited patience. I know this works because I've cleaned way to many 240 clocks and I still have one of Bills 240Z clocks on my test bench. It works and it keeps pretty good time. It doesn't get much outside time, but that's why it's still working. If I get enough interest I'll write a weekly article on "how to" for each of the four generation clocks. Like what goes wrong, how do fix it, what's interchangeable, how do I clean it, what kind of paint to use and so on. Hope this was helpful and please give me feedback. Thanks.........Ron This post has been promoted to an article
  2. jon, Since you're gone this far don't give up on your mechanical clock. You should have better luck with fixing the OEM clock rather than trying to integrate your face plate on your current clock with a quartz clock.The face plates are not interchangable and need modification or things don't line up. You'll see what I'm talking about when you get there (I have a fix). Also, if you find a quartz clock I would really really recommend the clock mechanism be refurbished. I use the same quartz unit on all my refurbishments and I rebuild every one, working or not. These clocks are at least 27 years old and they do have moving parts which wear out. It saves a lot of frustration after installing a clock and finding out it works for a short time and needs to be removed, AGAIN. Try this on the mechanical clock. The capacitors you replaced are polar(electrolitic). Did you observe the correct orientation? Are they the exact uf values? This is important. Second if you did install the caps correctly try this(to determine if the coil is bad). Apply 12 volts to the clock and observe what happens to the flywheel on the clock. You will have to look closely and may have to disconnect the + 12 volts to the clock and re-apply. If the flywheel moves at all then the coil is not bad. If all else fails I do have working ckt boards for a small fee. Oh by the way nice picture of your 76. Love the red. Ron ZC
  3. Well Assie Zed, if you had written me with your question I would have told you where to start. Mechanical clocks are not simple and can be very time consuming. The capacitors are the first to "dry out" and cause the problem. Also , if you over heat the ckt board trying to remove the capacitors you can damage the coil attached to the ckt board. Again this is the first place to start and if you get lucky that will cure the problem( coil to magnet alignment doesn't matter). I do repair this kind of clock, but the accuracy and reliability is not acceptable (my opinion). The best is to convert your clock to a quartz version and I also do this for the 70-76 Zcars. I also specialize in converting the 240Z clocks to a quartz unit and you can't tell the original 240 clock from my conversion(well you can as mine looks better). If your interested in a quartz clock or would like your mechanical clock repaired please contact me at: www.zclocks.com. I don't mean to sound conceded, but I do the best work, work exclusively on Z clocks, have a very large supply of parts, guarantee my work and ship all over the world. Let us know how you repair turns out.... Zclock www.zclocks.com (aka: Zclock bloke) :surprised
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