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Not even all 240Zs, just the '70-71.Replacing both is a good idea. Might look at the hose to the slave too. If it's showing any age, this would be the time to change it out.

I'm still leaning towards a rapidly failing slave cylinder. That air got in there past a seal somewhere. Bleeding won't totally fix it if the cylinder itself is going bad.

I don't recall anything in particular. Definitely no new revelations. As most people have noted, it's very difficult to compare a 240Z to a modern 350Z. Different times...

It's not really stock anymore. That car has had pretty regular coverage in the magazine. The original L24 is still in it, but it has been mildly massaged.http://classicmotorsports.net/project-cars/1970-datsun-240z/

I thought about asking that question, but decided it might be inappropriate! Thanks for sharing that!As for previous Datsun's, I'll need to dig through stacks of pictures and see if my scanner still works. Because all my extended family's Datsun history prior to my Zs was more than 25 years back. A '74 B210, '69 520, '74 620 and an '81 720 4x4. A high school buddy had a '73 610 coupe, too.

I've got a good spare early 4 speed here in Oregon. I've been planning to keep it just in case, but for the right price...

Bwuhahahahah!:devious::devious::devious:Oh yeah, that's me!!

Take my roof donor. It was a Series 1, but #12746 is not a very sexy number. Changing it to #4944 might improve its value a bit. Of course, now that it's "topless"...

No offense, Bruce, but the pictures and even the the website layout could use some help. But even so, I don't expect anything different. You guys work on carbs, not websites. About 85% yes. Still haven't been able to find out what time it all starts, though. That's NOT on the website.

If you still can't tell for certain (ZTherapy's pictures can be small and not totally clear), post a picture here and we'll help ID them. Or, pull off the airbox cover. Roundtops have round throats, flattops have rectangular throats.

I like the emblems, and think they are an important part of the car. Can't understand why someone wouldn't want their car to wear its emblems proudly. They say, "Yes folks, I am a Datsun 240Z." Let's face it, many young people today don't recognize the cars, and don't know what they are. The emblems are necessary.IMHO.

Here's the text and pictures for posterity. This auction comprises of : the VIN number plate on the dash behind the windscreen the plate behind the drivers' door the chassis number on the baulk-head and the (clear) title from the state of Carolina. That's it ! These items may be used as YOU see fit ! ww.datsun-france.com

Check this one out. This guy (in France) is trying to sell HLS30-04944. Not the whole car, but the VIN itself! http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Cars-Trucks___1970-240Z_W0QQitemZ230288627140QQddnZCarsQ20Q26Q20TrucksQQddiZ2282QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item230288627140&_trkparms=39%3A1|65%3A1|240%3A1318&_trksid=p4506.c0.m245

I can't believe I'm going to say this, as I have a pet peeve about 240Zs with no emblems. But on that BRE spoiler with no flat mounting surface, I'd leave them off.

Steve, neither you or I own a 'typical' 240Z. So looked at from our perspective, the perception may be different.On the other hand, how much more would a sub-500 car in condition equal to your car be worth? More than $24k, I'd bet. Go back to the other thread that started this. We're talking about a fairly beat looking car that will need extensive restoration. Because it is a '69-built car, the $5k+ price is considered to be reasonable. That same car as a mid-70-built car (VIN in the 6-9xxx range) might go for half of that. As a late '71 or '72, it's a $500 car out west, maybe $1500-2000 in the rest of the country. Consider all the buyers' guides over the past years (even decades) proclaiming 240Zs to be great buys. "Buy yours now before the price skyrockets!" Hasn't happened yet, not for the 'normal' cars. Sure, some of the collector cars change hands for big bucks, but that hasn't spilled over to the really nice #3 cars. And I don't think it will, as long as it's 'common knowledge' that the low-VIN cars are the ones with value.

Bingo. The 240Z for the US market was a mass produced car. Very mass produced. There were no 'Z-28' or 'Boss 302' equivalents. They were all the same. Sure, the earliest cars had different (often pre-production) parts, but those parts were just unusual, and sometimes just a stopgap, not 'special'.But collectors want 'special'. The early cars with odd parts are all they can find on 240Zs here in the US, so those are pronounced 'rare' and 'collectible'. Once so identified, it becomes a self-fulfilling prophesy. A few people determine that the low-VIN are THE collectible 240Zs, and pay more than normal people would pay. Others see that and jump on the band wagon. Soon, the first boatload isn't enough, the 'collectible' tag spreads to the '1969-built' cars, and then spills over to the 'clear-glass' cars (#14xx or so). The collector wannabe's can't (or won't) pay the big prices for a 69-built car, so they focus on the rest of the Series 1 cars, driving those prices up above a similar Series 2 or '72 car. No offense to those of you who are into this, but to me it just looks like a fetish for the low-VIN cars. If I was a serious collector (and I'm not), I'd be after the cars with true history. Like Carl's rally car, for example. There's a true 'collectible'. Worse, people continue to wonder and complain about the low prices on 'normal' 240Zs. Well, I figure part of that is because the impression given by the Z community in general and especially the low-VIN fetishists is that only the low-VIN are worth big money. In other words, the obsession with low-VIN is holding down the prices on otherwise nice 240Zs. My opinion only. Probably means nothing.

I moved the larger discussion on values into a separate thread, leaving this thread for the discussion of this particular car. The larger values thread is here.

I split this discussion out of the one on the particular car, guys and gals. It's grown far larger than that one car.

Much as I love inline sixes, I've been thinking about the possibility of using a BMW V8 in a Z. The sweet little aluminum 3.0 liter V8s (out of an E34 530i) can be picked up pretty cheap. Might take some fab work, just like the big six would take. But cool, none-the-less. Not going to happen anytime soon if it's up to me, but I can still think about it.

So the short version, you need the ECU, fuel pump and ignition. Everything else should work.

Here's a NOS Clifford dual system as shown in the picture Ron loaded. Still has the cardboard tubes on the chrome tips. I thought about buying it just because, but decided I didn't want it for my car. http://medford.craigslist.org/pts/828621130.html

I missed that part. There's no room for exhaust on the right side of a 240Z, either. So I'm going to assume that to be true for ALL S30s.

Yes, MSA sells the rest of the system, but there have been complaints on how it fits. As I said, search the site for 'twice pipes' to get first hand experiences. http://www.thezstore.com/page/TZS/PROD/PEC09/15-6030 As for the header terminology, MSA is wrong. That's a pet peeve of mine, that dates from my early motorcycling days. There are 6 primaries, exiting into 2 collectors. That's a 6-into-2 header, and it also comes with a Y-pipe to mate to a single exhaust. You could also call it a pair of 3-into-1 headers, but since they share a single head flange that's not really accurate either.

Search the forums for 'twice pipes'. MSA sells 'em. Clifford used to make 'em too. To do it all the way, you need a 6-into-2 header, or custom work on the dual downpipe.

How many of you would say that your Z is 'done' or 'complete'? I'm not talking about normal maintenance items, or little stuff, but is the car essentially the way you want it? I'm curious. You always hear of people who say, "my project will never be done, there's always more to do." And that's certainly OK. But for the most part, my car is pretty much the way I want it now, and I can't see doing a lot more to it - I just want to drive it, and maintain it. Anyone else consider their car to be mostly 'complete' as is?