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Let me go on with 1973: 42nd Rallye Monte Carlo, MC, R.Aaltonen/P. Easter, 10, TKS 33 SA 8512 , 18th T. Fall/M. Wood, 17, TKS 33 SA 8514, 9th 21st East African Safari, S.Mehta/L.Drews, 1, TKS 33 SA 7924, 1st E.Herrmann/H.Schuller, 11, ? , ? R.Aaltonen/P.Easter, 6, TKS 33 SA ?391, ? (Tranzania 1000) ? / ? , ?, ?, 1st Maroc Rallye (Maroc) S. Mehta/G. Phillips, %, TKS 33 SA 7922, Totalled after a flat out 300 meters flight into the stony desert ? / ? , 44 ?, ? (Scottish Rallye (GB)), S. Mehta/ ? , ? ,? , ? (Crashed?) RAC Rallye (GB), Harry Kallstrom/ Claes Bilstram, 5, TKS 33 SU 4079, 14th T.Fall/M. Wood, 17, TKS 33 SU 3444, retired Chris Sclater/Martin Holmes, 22, ?, ?, Kevin Vidan/Peter Rushforth, ?, ?, 21st Press on Regardless (USA), Smiskol/ Smiskol, ?, BD 3358, 3rd (southern Cross(Australia)), ?/?, ?,?, 8th 1974: 22nd East African Safari, H.Kallstrom/C.Bilstram, 14, TKS 33 SU 6468 (260Z) 4th Zully Remtulla/ Givani, ?, ?, (260Z), 5th TAP Rallye (Portugal), H.Kallstrom/C.Bilstram, 4, TKS 33 SU 6466 (260Z), 5th Rideau Lakes Rallye (Canada), Burkhard Skowrennek/ Woodlands, 117, PDH 812 (240Z), 6th Smiskol/Smiskol, ?, ?, (260Z), 8th RAC Rallye (GB), Cahal Curley/ ?, 25, TKS 33 SU 6466 (260Z), ? (Tranzania 1000) ?/?, ?,?, 2nd Maroc ? / ?, ?, ?, 6th (Hugenotten Rallye (Germany)), H.Schuller/G.Weitmann, 4, "Tuner Nippon Speed Car (see Le Mans Car), (260Z), 4th Bandama Rallye(Ivory Coast), ?/?, 2, ?, ? ? /?, 6, ?, (260Z), 5th ? /?, 17, ?, ? 1975: TAP Rallye (Portugal) Cortez/ Gomez, ?, ex TKS 33 SU 6470, (260Z), 4th Figueredo/ Baraton, ?, ?, (240Z), 6th Mepre/ Magelhas, ?, ? (240Z), 10th (24H Le Mans, (France)), Schuller, Haller, Maechler, 72, TKS 33 SU 6466 (240Z (at least the engine)), "Tuned by Nippon Speed Car") , 26th over all, 1st in class (24H Spa-Francorchamps (Belgium)),Delbar/Rubens/Miroux, 17, ?, 260 Z 2+2 !!!, ? RAC Rallye (GB), Kevin Vidan/Peter Valentine ?, LPE 66 P, ?, ? 1976: (Firestone Rallye (Spain)), K. Videan/ P.Valentine, ?, LPE 66 P, 6th 24th East African Safari, H.Schuller/Dieter Steinmann, 16, TKS 33 SU 6470, (260Z),"Nippon Speed Car", ? (24H Le Mans (F)) Haller/Buchet/Favresse, 73, ?, (260Z) Totalled 1981: (Jänner Rallye (Austria)), S.Mehta/Yvonne Mehta, ?, ?, ?; (240Z), 12th. In this event AUDI presented 1st times the works Quattro, the winner of theis event, starting a new aera, the 4wd Rolf-K. Doehring

Howdy friends, having been sick at home for some days I spent my time studying books, magazines, videos and photos on 240 Z/ 260 Z in World Championship Rallies ( + some Non-World-Championship events). Thanks to Guus who's "V ictory lane" is a very good starting point. the order to read the following is: Event, Country, Driver/Co-Driver Starting#, Licence Plate #, Ident#, Result. Enjoy and perhaps you can answer the questionmarks! 1970 1st official works engagement in Torbay Rallye (GB) at Okt. 31st Tony Fall/Gerraint Phillips Starting# unknown, TKS 33 SA ?, ?, Result ? RAC-Rallye (GB) Rauno Aaltonen/Paul Easter, 18, TKS 33 SA 695, HS 30 0000 25, 7th Tony Fall/Gerraint Phillips ?, ?, ?,? Edgar Herrmann/Hans Schuller, ?, TKS 33 SA 694, HS30 0000 24, ? John Bloxham/Norman Salt, ?, TKS 33 SA 696, HS30 0000 26, ? There was another high speed tender car 1971 (Datsun published no more Ident ## !) 40th Rallye Monte Carlo (MC) R. Aaltonen/P. Easter, 62, TKS 33 SA 985, 5th T. Fall/Mike Wood, 70, ...... 985, 10th There were 2 more supporting cars in the rallye, one co-driver was van Bergen. One of these cars was TKS 33 SA 987 (ex ....694) 19th East African Safari E.Herrmann/H.Schuller, 11, TKS 33 SA 1223, 1st Shekar Mehta/Mike Doughty, 31, ....1224, 2nd R.Aaltonen/P.Easter, 12, ..... 1226, 7th Jack Simonian/Bob Garrish, ?, ..... 1227, ? TKS 33 SA 1225 was a spare car at that event, ..... 1228 was High speed tender car. (Welch Rallye (GB)) T.Fall/ ?, 3, TKS 33 SA 696, 1st (Scottish Rallye (GB)), T. Fall/ ?, 4, TKS 33 SA 696, retired, RAC-Rallye (GB) E. Herrmann/H. Schuller, 5, TKS 33 SA 3646, 17th S.Mehta/Lofty Drews, ?, .... SA 696, 19th R. Aaltonen/ ? , ?, ?, retired T. Fall/ ? , ?, ?, retired 1972 41st Rallye Monte Carlo (MC), R.Aaltonen/Jean Todt, 5, TKS 33 SA 4150, 3rd T.Fall/M.Wood, 20, .....4151, retired 20th East African Safari, E.Herrmann/H.Schuller, 10, ? , 5th R.Aaltonen/T.Fall, 5, TKS 33 SA 4538, 6th S.Mehta/M.Doughty, 8, ?, 10th Ove Andersson/M. Davenport, 7, ?, ?, 20th Acropolis Rallye (Greece),S.Mehta/P.Easter, ?, ?, 6th TAP-Rallye (Portugal), T.Fall/ ?, ?, ?, 4th Chris Sclater/ ?,?,?,? (7th Southern Cross(Australia)) R. Aaltonen/ Halloran, ?, TKS 33 SA 8075, 2nd (Scottish Rallye (GB)), S. Mehta/ ?, ?,?,retired Roy Fidler/Barry Hughes, 13, KEJ 1, ? T.Fall/M. Wood, 4, TKS 33 SA 696, 7th (Montana Rallye (Portugal)), Antonio Carlos/ ?, ?, ?, 1st (Kenia 2000) S.Mehta/L.Drews, ?, ?, 1st RAC-Rallye (GB), T.Fall/M.Wood, 18, TKS 33 SA 3640 , 18th R.Aaltonen/P.Easter, 6, ?, 11th R. Fidler/B.Hughes, 34 ?, ? S.Mehta/Martin Holmes,26, ?,? Press on Regardless (Michigan,USA) Jons/ Beckman, ?, ?, 2nd (Rallye of Camelias (Portugal)) Antonio Carlos de Olivera/ ?, ?, GA-83-34, 1st Olympic Rallye (Germany) ?/?, ?, VEC-MA 65, ? (24 H Le Mans(F)) Martin Birrane/ ?, 47, ?, not qualified I will go on 1973 -1981 later Rolf

Guus, you started a good overview on your z-point page "victory lane". I took that as the basis, checked it (sometimes you jumped a line for instance) and added all informations I could find on Zs in world rallye championship ( and some oteher) events between 1970 and 1976. Next week I'm out of my bureau and I will present my results to you all a little bit later. There will still be same white spots on the map that we can shurely fill together. Rolf

Bonjour Fred, merci pour la medaille d'or. The car seems to be one of those that have done the Monte Carlo before, the licence plate is a Japanese one and in the middle of the fron window you can see that stripe from the additional window heating that the works cars had. Interesting to see a Z in the sandwich of 2 Renault Alpine at an Ice event. Thanks for the picture ! Rolf

Howdy Mike, you started that thread and I think your intention was to find out who is rallying today with our "elderly ladies" and what our experiences and technical hints are. I#m interested in that ,too. Now the thread changed a bit and at the moment some of us are becoming experts that work out Datsun's works rallying history step by step. Together we are strong, I hope. So Mike, let me propose to split the thread, one for exchange of experiences, one, where the experts can work on history. What do you think and how is this accepted by the "expertgroup" ? EricB and Sennavsprost welcome to the "club of experts". Perhaps you can find out some informations on the "american" Zs of the early 70s in the world rallye championship, for instance on the Smiska's car in the '72 and '73 "Press on Regardless". There must have been another 240Z within the first top 5 in '71. Can you get pictures ? Hi Alan, Fred , Sean , Guus and friends from "down under" we will have a longe weekend now and I will try to structure the information that I can find in my rallying books from the seventies (pictures, result lists, stories) , in my Z book collection and in my collection of articles on Z rallye cars. I hope to find a scanner so that I can copy the photos for you. Perhaps together we can fill the gaps in information. Alan is right, some informations are confusing and sometimes I have the feeling that Datsun used the same licence plate for different cars. Maybe I can also find Hans Schuller. I heared he lives in Germany again. He should know a lot. The german Z club already contacted Graf Goertz, the Z designer, who became a member to the club. Guus, yesterday I first times saw the 1:18 model #5. Was it Exoto or Kyoshi ? Whatever it is, it is very detailed, it is great, it is a must

Hi ev'rybody, let's go on to the essentials of datsuns works engagements to fill the white spots on the map one by one. As far as my sources are correct Datsun engaged itself with Z cars OUTSIDE AFRICA 1st times with 4 Group 3 240Zs in Sept. 1970 in GB (RAC-Rallye). Drivers were Rauno AAltonen, Tony Fall, Edgar Herrmann and John Bloxham. A 5th Z was for services. All 4 cars had problems because of differential overheating. Only Aaltonen finished, having 3 best results on special stages in between. In 1971 a Z finished in 5th position at Rallye Monte Carlo. Also in 1971 Tony Fall won the Welch-Rallye. In 1972 Aaltonen finished 3rd in Monte Carlo. Also in 1972 Shekar Mehta became 6th at the greece Akropolis Rallye and Tony fall finished 4th in Portugal. In 1973 Aaaltonen was long time in 2nd pos. at the Monte Carlo until a fuel line broke. Also in 1973 some works drivers startet as privateers. So Mehta damaged a Z in Maroc and Hans Schuller, Herrmanns Co-driver in Africa, started in Germany. The licence plate of this car was SU 6470. The portuguise importer prepared 2 Zs (drivers nn) and in NORTH AMERICA at the "Press on regardless -Rallye" the couple Smiska finished 2nd in '72 and 3rd in '73. The 260Z was no big success . In '74 a 260Z finished 5th in Portugal. In '75 Schuller was engaged in Le Mans. AFRICA: In 1971 Datsun prepared 4 Zs for the East African Safari. The engines for Africa did not base on the Z 432 but on the L24 with about 210 HP, 200 km/h top speed with a long 4th gear (4,625:1). Totla weight was 1250 kg. Herrmann/Schuller startet with car #11, #12 was driven by Aaltonen/Easter,#31 by Mehta/Doughty and the 4th Z was run by Jack Simonian. Herrmann finished 1st in front of Mehta. Aaltonen became 7th. In '72 3 Zs started (Aaltonen/Fall, Mehta/Doughty and Herrmann/Schuller). Herrmann finished in 5th, Aaltonen in 6th and Mehta in 10th position. In 1973 the 240Z became a 2,5 Litre, 240HP, 205 km/. 89 teams started, only 19 finished that 5000 km event. Mehta was the winner over all. In 1974 Datsun engaged 3 260Z in East Africa. They finished 5th and 6th with Kallstrom/Bilstram and Ramtulla /Jivani (3rd team n.n.) Only 16 of 99 teams finished that tough 5100 km event. How many Zs were engaged as "mules" (training cars) or for services I don't know Perhaps anybody knows the id-#s of the works cars so that we can trace their lives. Rolf

Hi friends, as far as I know the Le Mans car that Hans Schuller, the Safari Co-driver of Hermann and Safari winner, brought to Le Mans in 1975 was originally an Ex-Safari car. They became 23rd in the general classement and 1st in the class up to 2.5 litres. Rolf

Hi Z-rallye-freaks, having spent a week on rainy Mallorca island I'm positively surprised how the discussion went on. Alan is right, it's a pity that our american friends are in a different world when talking about rallying or works or semi-works sportsZcars. So it's within us antipodes (Australia/NZ and Europe) to find out and to publish to our american friends how these cars performed in Kenia, at the Bandama, in Australia, Maroc, Greece, Portugal , Monte Carlo, in GB, Canada or anywhere else in the wide world, what their technical highlights and who the drivers were. I myself built up a rallyeZ to my personal needs and possibilities based on the FIVA standards and the original group 3 and group 4 homologation. Unfortunately I crashed the car and at the moment I built up an interim solution just to have something to compete with on a regional level, having my wife as navigator (which makes weekend life easier). My daily driver is a 300 ZXturbo and I also have a nice 280 ZX, very original with one main exeption, it has a catalytic converter now to meet the government and tax regulations here in Germany.

I've heard that the cross-flow head is still available in UK. Look at the webside of the british Z car club or ask Mike Feeney at www.lightman.co.uk/mjp. May be he sells it or at least knows a source Good luck Rolf

Congratulation and wellcome to the worldwide Zedders, normally the engine bay has the same colour as the body. But don't mind. Most Ferraris at that time had black (shrimped colour) engine bays.

Hi BadDog I think 2manyZs is right. The muffler should be vertikally with te rear end at the bottom and the inlet at the middle. The MSA people are very friendly, so give them a ring. Have in mind they are preparing the West Coast meeting at the moment and they are very busy. If you are happy with the exhaust (I am !) and you don't need to change anything because of technical reasons or too much heat to the tank just paint the muffler's rear black with a heat resistent paint, exept the chrome tip, and you won't see it without knowing .

Great idea, I would take 4 at once

Hi all, the 260 was also quite successful at the Bandama Rallye and with Shekar Mehta on the continent. Does anyone have more information on the Museum in Japan. I heard some rumors that there is another interesting rallye car that is quite unknown to the public: the 280 ZX that appeared in Greece, Portugal and - I'm not shure - at the RAC in GB. I'm looking for pictures of that car ond technical details. I think the drivers had been Japanese. Sorry for mentioning a Datsun ZX on that Z page but concerning Datsuns in Rallye it's of interest. Rolf

Hi Alfadog, sorry, the Strosek is under www.zx-club.de, left column "Bilder" (= pictures), "Aero parts", Strosek. Surfing through that side you will find a lot of "Bilder" from members, cars and meetings. The Twin Turbo 2+2 has 300 PS (hp, but differently measured to the US), HICAS and so on. Rolf

Here in Germany Nissan ever sold only 2+2 versions. Ti started with the 260z 2+2, went on with all 280 ZX as 2+2, all 300 ZX as 2+2 and ended with the 300ZX Twin Turbo as 2+2. Have a look at www.zx-club.de surfing for great pics, for instance tuned by Stosek. BTW, here we never had a NA version or the cabrio officially. Rolf

A article on the Le Mans Z would be great. I have some few pictures and the 1:43 resine model. At the 24 H de Spa there once raced a red 260Z 2+2. Is anybody on the list who knows about that car or who has pictures or an idea how to get more infos. The belgian automobile club couldn't or wouldn't helpp on my e-mail request Rolf

Howdy Z-friends around the world, my name is Rolf-Karl Doehring. I'm 57 years old, married for 26 years, no children but 5 Datsun/Nissan: 2 '72 240 Z, 1 '82 280ZX 2+2 , 1 '88 300ZX 2+2 Tubo and a little Micra (March in the US, I think) as daily city driver. I got my first Z, a 260 Z 2+2 , in 1976. I'm working for 22 years now for the german paper industries association as head business administration and statistics/market research on european level. My hometown is Bornheim, near Cologne, overlooking the river Rhine. I visited the US 4 times for holidays and got some good friends there, all Z drivers. One of my 240Z got badly damaged in an international rallye event . So it's totally stripped now, but I will built it "bottom up" again and it will become better than before. By the way, I think that we have only about 25 240Z here in Germany. Parts are not awailable so I have to buy it all in the US - expensive job because of shipment, customs and taxes. but big fun when it runs. This is now the 2nd time I'm restoring a Z. All the best to all of you !

Hi Z-friends, I have 2 '72 240Z, one with SUs, 6 to 2 header and original exhaust system and one with 3 Double SKs(with horns), 6 to 2 header, turbo muffler, Crane ignition, el. fuel pump, el. fan, add. oil cooling, but stock cam. #1 Z is my "elegant" Z, quiet, comfortable and it has a radio. # 2 is my beast: Loud, tough and with direct response. The radio that was in at first was the first thing I took off. The sound of the engine is the best music to me. Looking at a stop watch there is no big difference in acceleration or top speed while both cars have the original cam and head. Different are fun, fuel consumption (not that much) and maintenance. Finetuning the 3 SKs is a science of it's own, but I like it! Which car I prefer ? It's depending on the purpose , on the kind of roads I plan to drive and on my wife. She prefers the yellow/white (interior) #1 with ( basic original) leather seats to the racing seat and harness in #2, but there she misses the sound , the feeling and the attention from outside. Rolf