Mike B

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Hi Kats. I love your 240ZG! I have a few US sales guides not as cool as your though. Small pocket guides from 1971 and 1979 and a large binder from a sales training course. It has several pages of handwritten notes from the person taking the class and also the end of class test. There is also a 1973 new product guide in the binder so i think the course is also from 1973. The 1971 and 1973 guides have sections on the 240z. The 1971 pocket guide is mostly specs for the cars, but the 1973 guide has a page of sales tips too. Sent from my SM-T377P using Classic Zcar Club mobile

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Wow, great stuff Chris. Where did YOU get this info from?

I'm pretty sure there was a 240Z that was on "What's My Car Worth" that they actually evaluated and went to auction (not just a viewer mail segment) in the last year or so. I'll have to see if I can find it. I think it was green and mostly stock. I think it sold for around the mid 20's at whatever auction it was at. The 240Z on "Bitchin' Rides" was shown very briefly a couple of times, but not featured in an episode. There is some information about it on the Kindigit website. http://www.kindigit.com/gallery/72-datsun-240z/

Hoovered this one from an old thread. There were a bunch of words in the post, but hey a picture is worth a thousand words, right? Thought I remembered another one from this site, but I can't see it now. Maybe it was from zcars.com? Yuk Yuk....

e How ironic. If you used the search function for more than just “hoovering” and reposting other people’s photos you would see that Alan has shared quite a bit of the information he’s acquired over the years. If not for people like Alan and Kats obtaining, translating, and sharing the information they’ve gathered and obsrved first hand, we’d know a lot less about the family of S30 cars and how they differed across models and markets around the world. Why don’t you post in Kat’s great Datsun 240Z vs Fairlady Z432 thread how you think his car is just an overpriced 240Z with girly named badges? http://www.classiczcars.com/forums/topic/23900-datsun-240z-vs-fairlady-z432/ Several people in this thread have made great comparisons to put in context why a Z432 costs so much more than a NA 240Z, but you ignore that and focus on the horse power specs and make unrealistic comparisons to modern cars. Clearly you don’t get what makes a Z432 special or appreciate it for what it is. I don’t think that you speak for the majority of people on this site (at least I am hopeful that you don’t) and you certainly don’t speak for all of North America, so please quit making broad sweeping statements like you have been.

There was a discussion of why the rubber mats would show up in some later cars in some of the threads that you took these photos from, but now that reference is gone. I guess all we have to go by now is your recollection of what you think you read and the photos that you re-post from other threads.

I think that question was addressed in the source thread that Blue "hoovered" these pictures from. Now that there is no context or prior discussion to go along the photos he re-posted it seems that information has been lost, part of what I tried to point out to Blue earlier.

What is the point of this thread? What purpose does it serve to just post random photos of cars that you "hoovered" (mostly from prior threads on this site) with no context? For instance, you posted a single photo of the rear of my HLS30-00032 car sitting on a trailer the day it came back from being painted. I took that photo myself and posted it in a thread about my car on this site. Most of these photos are from threads to document the progress of work on cars, cars that were listed for sale, or to compare certain early parts. When you just repost a bunch of photos with no context what value is there in that? There is nothing unique about the back of my car shown in the photo you posted, and it doesn't look like that now so I'm not sure what the point is. Many of the photos you posted have parts that aren't original to the cars and aren't "correct" for their production date, so they may be misleading to someone trying to determine what is an original part on a low VIN car. If you are trying to document early parts unique to low VIN cars then do that, although you should do a search first and add to existing threads whenever possible rather than needlessly creating new ones. Many of us have spent a lot of time and effort to try to document parts differences, so why recreate the wheel, especially if you are going to post photos taken from other threads without linking to them or providing some context. It seems you have even lost track of the photos you posted to this thread as you posted photos of PS30-00013 twice (first in post #2 and then at the end of the thread)..

What about the outside of the car makes you say it looks like a "Series II body with a series I hatch"? It looks like a 1970 S30 to me. I can't read Japanese, but based on the second photo the OP attached it looks like the VIN is S30-03814, which would make it a 1970 model year, but too late to be a 1969 production car I think. I'm sure Alan T could confirm if he see this thread. There are three Showa dates shown in that same photo, the first is 45-10-23, which is Oct 23, 1970. I am wondering if that was the date it was purchased by the original owner? Looks like a solid early car.

I have several low VIN HLS30s, so I'd love it if they get to $100K in my lifetime, but I'm not so sure. I think the "more unique S30Zs" in Japan (Z432R, Z432, 240ZG) have much higher values because they are specialty models with low production numbers. The early HLS30s have many low volume early parts that were quickly phased out as production changes were made, but I don't think that and a low VIN make them as significant as the specialty JDM models. There is a premium for a correct early HLS30 with the early parts still intact but not multiples of what a nicely restored later car would be worth. A low VIN car that is missing most of the early production parts loses most of the premium it would otherwise have over a later car. I think the 30 some Nissan USA "restoration program" cars from the miid 90's will be worth more than most low VIN cars, except for maybe the lowest VINs like HLS30-00013 or lower or a really complete original survivor low VIN car. By the way, I noticed that the relisted auction for the HLS30-00064 car is no reserve now and currently at $44,200, so if the bids are real it should sell now. It will be interesting to see what it sells for.

Hi Chris, Yes, that car looks like it has been repainted a much darker green than the factory 907. It was listed on the Treasure Coast FL craigslist about a month ago (right in your backyard). I wondered if you or Jim F knew of the car. I think it was listed for $25K OBO then. I saved the photos from the craigslist ad, but unfortunately not the ad itself. I'm attaching a few of the craigslist pics, and it's the same dark green. Apparently the current seller bought the car and then listed it on ebay as soon as he got it. He seems to try to flip a lot of 240Zs. If the bids above $50K were real, he's crazy not to take them, given the amount of work that car needs to be correct. Like you, it's gotten me considering selling my HLS30-00032 car if I could get those kind of prices for it, and my car is restored/original with all of the correct early parts.

Sounds like a scene from "Johnny Dangerously"

Hi Kats. When did you get the 1972 240Z? It looks nice. Is that the one that Jay Ataka had on his website on one point? I recall it was an orange automatic like yours. Also, regarding the muffler, I saw that Jay posted on his blog about differences he claims on the 240Z mufflers . Do you agree with his comments? I thought all the mufflers had the Nichira makers name on them? http://jdm-car-parts.com/blogs/news/16149728-fact-about-factory-muffler-on-early-datsun-240z -Mike

That same guy sold the Skyline GT-R at Monterrey last year. He has sold at least one other Z432 and a 240ZG here in the US through his company http://welovecoolcars.com/. He has another 240ZG that he shipped to AZ to drive around and show off at the January auctions this year and plans to sell soon. He also has another GT-R and a GT-X for sale now ($235k for the GT-R) http://welovecoolcars.com/1971-nissan-skyline-2000gtr/

I saw Mike Brewer of Wheeler Dealer fames post on facebook several months ago that they were going to be doing a 240Z soon. Apparently they are working on several cars in the US this season, and it looks like this 240z is one of them. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Datsun-Z-Series-240Z-1972-datsun-240-z-/321665301615?forcerrptr=true&hash=item4ae4befc6f&item=321665301615&pt=US_Cars_Trucks

In case you ever wanted to run in the East African Safari. I guess they consider the support truck and spares to be the "team" that comes with it. https://autos.yahoo.com/news/buy-datsun-260z-rally-car-team-too-210013137.html Here is a link to the auction. I'll be curious to see how close it comes to (£)180,000 - 200,000 estimate https://www.silverstoneauctions.com/1975-datsun-260z-safari-rally-car

I don't think the OEM shift knobs were treated like the steering wheels. The shift knobs are entirely real wood and the steering wheels are some kind of plastic/wood mix. I think the variety of wood and the stain used for the knobs changed at some point between 1971 and 1972. All the original 1970 shift knobs I have seen are the dark reddish brown color and the 1972 and 1973 knobs are a much lighter tan color and look like a different type of wood. I'll see if I can find some pictures to post.

Hi Kats, I was bidding on that same parts catalog. I didn't realize I was bidding against you, but I'm glad you got it. Thanks for sharing the photos. Its funny that many people in the US , even those with Fairlady Z's, think there is nothing they can get from JDM publications just because we can't read Japanese and most of the parts aren't available for purchase through the Nissan dealerships anymore. -Mike

Let me know if you change your mind about making the early style hood inspection lid bumpers (more triangular one on the right in the photo below). They were used on the early 1970's . i'm not sure about later 1970's or 1971's. My 5/72 car has the later style. Maybe others can help nail down when the switch to the newer style was made.

Thanks Alan, that's what I was looking for. I know you mentioned to me previously about the difference between the blue and red Z's, but I don't recall hearing when the trumpet/horn symbol was added. Interesting that there is apparently no reproduction of the early JDM horn pads yet. Fortunately my original early horn pad is in good shape. -Mike

I agree. I have seen this guy list many Z cars over the last year or so and for someone who touts himself to be a "Z collector" he seems to always omit or downplay things that he must know are incorrect. All the rubber seals, fuel and brake lines, etc were just painted over. No mention of the heater hose that was just cut at the firewall with the stub sloppily painted over.. The interior is excellent according the him, but has a dash cap and seats that aren't quite right? I'm always leery of a car that has been freshly undercoated in black and looks uneven like it has been patched with who knows what.

esprist, The early Fairlady Z horn pads didn't have the horn symbol, just the Z. Do you know when the horn symbol was added?

What would the tires used on Carl's BRE Baja race car (a highly modified off-road race car made from a US market 1973 240Z) tell us about the original tires used on a stock 1971 Japanese market Fairlady Z-L? The US market 1970 240Zs came with Bridgestone Superspeed Radial-20 tires and then later used a mix of both Bridgestone RD-150 and Toyo Z-1 tires. There are many threads on the subject on this site. But again, I don't think that tells us anything about what would have been stock on Kerrigan's Fairlady Z-L. Tires are manufactured to conform to specific regulations in the markets they are used in, so I don't think US market tires were used on JDM cars. I have seen what I believe to be a stock Z432 on Dunlop tires, but I don't know if a Fairlady Z-L would have used the same tires, or if the tires changed over time, like the US market did. Even if a Japanese market Bridgestone tire did come stock on Kerrigan's car I don't think a modern US market Bridgestone tire would be considered any more original than any other tire from a Japanese manufacturer. -Mike