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Where do you get the idea that "Drawing courtesy Nissan" is the same thing as "Drawing Courtesy Nissan" ?? Referring to the illustration on page 60 of the same Nissan Part Number book, are we to assume that "Drawing courtesy O.S. Giken" is somehow supplied by a mysterious company called Courtesy O.S. Giken ? In case your understanding of English is that flawed, the statement "Drawing courtesy Nissan" is a contraction of "This drawing is published by courtesy of Nissan". I believe ?!!? It doesn't fit with your preconceived notions so therefore you believe something else and are going to ram it down everyone else's throat! There have been a few other examples of that sort of egotistical individual throughout history, most of whom don't bear thinking about.

All in favour please vote! Should be downright fascinating.

We didn't have a 'Warranty Card' in Oz. The owners details were entered directly into the spaces provided in the 'Service Book' together with the dealers details. That is from experience of purchasing four new Datsun / Nissan cars over the years (until I realised it was cheaper to bend used ones).

Hmmm.

The so-called HS30U is nothing more than a luxury spec HS30 just as the so-called HLS30U is a luxury spec HLS30. So your 240Z has a model identification on the factory affixed plate that says HS30U...... ? The one on mine says HS30....... so it must be the poor cousin in your understanding of Nissan nomenclature. Not PROVABLY the same spec then. Oh dear, how sad, never mind!

Oh, I forgot about the supposed same spec HS30U that was the same as the HS30 that came to Australia. Again, you're blowing smoke where it don't belong. Get out your parts microfiches and check it out. Dampers, springs and lots of other 'tuning' bits have different part numbers between the HS30U and the HS30. For a car of the same spec as you claim that's just a little fishy.

Alan, Are you just being deliberately thick or something? I saw the car in Australia, not Japan, so it had to comply with Australian regs. If something didn't comply then the offending part(s) had to come off and be replaced with acceptable substitutes. No ifs or buts, no bullshit about being JDM spec items, off it comes PERIOD. Tyres are production materials readily available from Bridgestone (which is what was on them). Actually I would like to see some proof of the supposed radial tyres that shared identical markings with the previous cross plies. Even back then that would have been a potential legal minefield for the tyre manufacturer. I think you're blowing smoke out your arse with that one!! It would be no more difficult for Nissan with the speedo than the tyres. Nissan speedos were off the shelf mechanisms from (then) Jeco, including the one you seem to think is something unique to the C10 GT-R. Exchange the mechanism and very likely an off the shelf face too and you have a converted unit. Nothing hard, nothing magical, just normal old engineering practice. Even doing a custom dial face is a simple (and cheap) excercise when running a business like Jeco. In that vein, the same would have applied to the seatbelts. JDM belts never have been acceptable in Australia so they would have been changed too but who remembers something that is a normal item used regularly. It really comes down to the simple fact that I have stated what I saw and I really could not care less what a self opinionated individual thinks about it. If you don't want to know then give everyone else the relief of burying your head in the sand.

Looks like about A$33000, but if that's a pretty much complete engine then for what you get it's a bargain compared to a Ford BDA or similar!

Is that an ALUMINIUM block??

Alan, Cam covers: quoting kyteler I know the early L4 covers had 'DATSUN OHC' sometimes even 'DATSUN 1600 OHC' however, much like Mr. Camo, I have never seen nor heard of a L6 with 'DATSUN' lettering. quoting you In case you haven't noticed, a couple of other people picked you up on the 'NISSAN' cam cover issue too. Errrr - something smells there! reference Nissan publication Part Number 99996-M8012 'How to modify your Nissan & Datsun OHC engine' exploded parts views "Drawing Courtesy Nissan" pg 89 four cylinder and p90 six cylinder. Both clearly show the lettering to be DATSUN. The same info was also published in the earlier 'How to modify DATSUN 510 610 240Z engines & chassis' pg 46 Are we to assume that Nissan released that sort of detail incorrectly? Come on!! Part number 13264-E3100 is a DATSUN cam cover for an L24. Part number 13264-P0100 is a NISSAN cam cover for an L24 or L26. At least that was what they were when I had to replace a cover back in '72 after a cam gear bolt came loose (and initially got the wrong, E3100, cover). quoting you What have cam covers made in Japan by Nissan for the Australian market got to do with "the Americans"? Since America and Australia were the two countries to which Nissan was exporting at that time (apart from the dribbles into UK and Europe) then I would have thought that you would realise that there was a fair bit in common between the two markets. Even then we got 5 speed gearboxes from the outset which no other export market got in 1970. Tyres - '6.45H 14 4PR' are cross plies in Australia. If a tyre was of radial construction it had to be marked accordingly, in which case it could carry a marking such as '6.45HR 14 4PR'. Even that is a pretty wild stretch considering that the earliest radials here were letter series ( AR78 13, ER70 14 etc) as dictated by federal DOT. You obviously know nothing regarding the LEGAL requirements in this country! A manufacturer might have got away with the sort of idiocy you imply in Japan or England (and I wouldn't know one way or the other) but in Australia that would have created some significant legal issues. No, I wouldn't have been easily misled as I was well used to variations in markings having already used cross, bias and radial ply road tyres as well as racing tyres. Having already had some 9 years in motor sport and a bit less on the road had instilled some knowledge. Breaking it down, 6.45 is 6.45 inches nominal cross section, H is speed rated to 140MPH, 14 is the wheel fitment diameter, 4PR is four ply rated. No reference to radial, period. I knew that sort of information by the time I was 14 and haven't forgotten it. Odometer markings " ............like a KPGC10 odometer that read in MPH instead of KPH. Unique! " Australia still required speedometers to read in MPH in 1972 and so odometers also read in miles. Maybe, just maybe, someone actually fitted the correct parts to make the car legal. Oh, and Nissan did have MPH speedos - they were fitted in 240Z's until at least late '72. In fact our '73 KHGC110 came with a MPH speedo, as did our May '72 240Z I really can't see where you get the idea that a Nissan S20 would arouse some interest here. A hot 2 litre might have been noteworthy in England as real performance car compared to the standard fare. Not so in Australia as standard road cars were reaching 110MPH readily with 5 litre V8's. To raise much interest a car would need to have been seen as a serious threat to the 140MPH Ford Falcon XY GTHO Phase III (yes, one hundred and forty miles per hour in average tune). An S20 KPGC10 seen as a threat? More like a joke back then. What I tried to provide right from the outset was information that limited numbers of S20 engined cars got on the market here and that at least one KPGC10 was sold. That the one KPGC10 I physically saw was at least sanctioned by Nissan is clear from the fact that a DEALER had it on a showroom floor. That Nissan had SOME involvement should be obvious to any intelligent person in that correct tyres and odometer / speedometer for the market were fitted. Whether the black bonnet was factory or not is not significant - it had it and why it had it is immaterial. That Nissan did or didn't try to 'market' the model here was neither here nor there as far as I am concerned. How many more, if any, ever got here I made no reference to. Quite frankly, after this I have no interest in pursuing the history of Datsun / Nissan in Australia, nor of making the other information I have from the Prince / Nissan / Datsun / Nissan era public. Being "determined to find out as much as I can about the things I am interested in" is one thing, being aggressively offensive is entirely different, particularly when a person so obviously has little if any knowledge of the environment in which the item of interest must conform or in the subject on a global scale.

I guess it all goes to prove that a resident of UK having been also a resident of Japan knows everything about Nissan / Datsun. I'm sorry I even bothered.

Alan, Cam covers - take that up with the Americans. I understand they also had 'DATSUN' covers initially (query Carl Beck IZCC on that). Sorry, you are wrong on the cam covers delivered here. Through '70 and at least most of '71 I did not see ONE Nissan cover and I was in and out of the dealer's floor regularly (my Datsun Coupe was frequently displayed there) Tyres were identical to those fitted to the 240z sitting beside it - H rated cross plies. That only sticks in the memory because we couldn't believe _either_ car was actually to be sold with that crap on it. Why? Who knows! Were the bonnets _always_ body colour? Where is proof of that? Anyway, why black? I don't have that information. Maybe some bright spark decided a plain white car was very ordinary. As with the tyres, the people who could answer are not available. Pre-owned? Not in this State buddy!! Even then our laws were VERY stringent about selling something as new when in fact it was not. That would have been a _very_ quick way for a dealer to go out of business. Entirely aside from the legal implications, the car had 27 miles on the odometer which is about right for delivery. That stuck because the dealer principal didn't want the odometer to go to 30 miles in a short test drive. And no, they were _not_ in the habit of disconnecting speedos, again because the penalties were getting pretty severe. Miles, Apologies, I shouldn't have brought that up. My father also served and although he didn't hold any grudges he also wouldn't speak of it. On the hijacked topic, unfortunately I didn't have the foresight 34 years ago to take lots of pics! (must do something to get the foresight as sharp as hindsight) No, I would love to have had solid data but since I didn't buy it I don't have a receipt or delivery papers. About the only way I can see of ever proving what was actually sold and where would be a careful audit of the delivery documentation Nissan presumably had and probably don't have now. Art

Ummmm, just looked at an old Wheels ad and it sure does mention the link to the 240z. Must've been one of those times of "You have got to be kidding!". I had heard rumours about a 260B back then, but never knew much more than hearsay. English ad makes a lot more sense continuing the Skyline name, although the 'executive saloon' description would have REALLY stretched the credibility boundaries here. Imagine a 240K described that way when just down the road you could get a Ford Fairlane or Holden Statesman, either of which came with a V8, air, power steer, LSD available, etc etc. What a joke! Pity about the lost docs although that has happened before. Often enough to make one wonder whether Nissan might have 'oops, we lost them' so that the history remains obscure. You can't even get copies of the FIA Homologation papers from them for anything earlier than about 1995 and they flatly deny ever having any FIA papers from the Prince era. The dealer was Ken Eustace Datsun, now sadly defunct. It would have been late January 1972 as that was when I disposed of my Datsun Coupe. Datsun Australia had good leverage to encourage wearing the jackets, they were supplying a lot of special bits at really good prices. Didn't do much good though, job requirements kept getting in the way. As so often happens, frequent moves and a job that dictated the end of motorsport by 1973 has resulted in what pics ever got to me being lost. The odd pic has come to me from relatives but not much. A friend in nearby Clare, John Drage, is in the same position and he won the SA Rally Championship in 1978(?).

Alan Agreed, no truer words! War is bloody ugly whichever side you are on and I would bet that the poor buggers we left in Vietnam felt the same. I actually meant Nissan outside of JDM, just left out a word or two. Still don't believe Nissan was a brand well known elsewhere until the late 70's / early 80's. We didn't see cam covers with 'NISSAN' until '72. The first L4's & L6's had 'DATSUN' on them with either 'OHC' (L4) or '2400 OHC' (L6). There were even some without either Nissan OR Datsun on them. Reports indicate this was also the case in USA. In the early 70's there was not much coverage of the JDM racing here so the exploits of the S20 powered cars were not well known. Most motor sport reports were centred on the Australian Touring car racing, some on sports car racing and some on local rallying. You had to look real carefully in the small columns for news from the rest of the world and Japan rarely featured. Australians then tended to think everything auto was either the 'mother country' (rallying) or USA (brute horsepower sedans). I would agree that grey market is closest, but that does not change the fact that at least a few S20 powered cars WERE sold outside JDM whether with or without a full scale sales campaign. A true grey market product does NOT get any factory support and often no warranty which wasn't the case with the white KPGC10 I looked at. It had Nissan handbooks (in Japanese) and a 3 or 4 page (don't remember which) giving the most important details in English which carried the Datsun Australia letterhead. Were they 'dipping a toe in the water' to see what interest there was? I doubt it as the factory would have been aware the C10 was to be replaced the following year and presumably the decision to market the Skyline as a Datsun 240K had already been made. Jim Interesting ad you found, how wide a circulation did the publication have? The linkage was pretty much unknown to the car club types here in South Oz. I had by then owned 2 Nissans and 2 Datsuns and still didn't see that ad. Maybe just not looking! The silver/grey car is the same body. The car as I saw it was an off-white (slightly dirty cream shade actually), black bonnet, skinny black wheels with cross ply tyres, black interior and not a lot going for it. Rather like a 432R 'cause the owner was expected to put his own wheels on it for competition use. It did look a lot better after being sold as it was promptly fitted with a set of wide Minilite wheels with decent radial tyres. He also had the bonnet resprayed with Ford's 'GT blackout' which was actually a semi gloss instead of the ugly flat black it started with. Must have had SOME factory / dealer support as it went in to the dealer for servicing and maintenance. Today we can appreciate it for what it was but not at the time. I also find the S54's and the C10 pretty neat now, and actually prefer the lines of a 260z 2+2 to those of a 240z (and we own one of each). Not so keen on the 240K GT styling although that is what our club car is (KHGC110 000302). Tastes change radically, don't they? If a KGC10 became available and I could shift the C110, yes I would. The Nissan jacket is plain black with NISSAN in white block letters across the back. Nothing fancy and I curse not keeping a 'DATSUN' jacket to go with it. The Datsun jackets were actually a lot better, deep blue with white lettering and the logo in red, white and a lighter blue. Really cool for a young bloke back then!

Alan The ONLY Skyline rebadged as a Datsun in Australia was the C110 and was then called a 240K with NO reference to Skyline. Not the smartest marketing move by Nissan as they lost all connection to the heritage available as a Skyline so the 240k was regarded as just another passenger car (including the GT variant). They didm't even have the smarts to link the 240z and 240k as having the same base engines! afaik, none of the other models badged as Datsuns were known as other than Datsuns in other markets (ever heard of a Nissan P510 for example?). Correct me please. Yes, that KPGC10 that I considered was a Nissan Skyline GT-R badged car and it was physically there on the showroom floor. No big write-ups in the press? Sure weren't and not too surprising considering how plain the C10 was compared to the Datsun 1200 coupes, 1600SSS and 240Z's sitting on the same floor. It was a seriously ordinary car in their company, even bordering on ugly! During those years ('68 to late '71) there was little consistency in the Datsun / dealer structure and many dealers went their own way with importing. That really didn't change until the 1600 proved it's worth and made Japanese cars more acceptable to the general public. The quoted example of the CSP311 Silvias through Capitol Motors was one, Skyline GTB's in late '68 and early '69 through Commonwealth Motors Broken Hill were others. There WAS no control and certainly no franchise to prevent it. Maybe you can call it 'grey market' but it was at least officially sanctioned otherwise brand new cars requiring the usual dealer preperation would NOT have been available. I have little doubt that Nissan did not 'officially' export S20 cars, but equally it is clear that official sanction was required to source those that did go out. I've never heard even a rumour about any KPGC110 even privately imported, and would be really surprised if any came in for any reason. There would have been NO chance of selling a DOHC triple carb 150HP 1150kg car at anything like a profit when Holden was busy selling cars of slightly less weight with a 190hp 3300cc triple carb 6 called an XU1 Torana. Crikey, the Datsuns and Nissans of the time were not even considered by the petrol heads who had 375hp V8's, 310hp 6's and 190hp 6's available with their beloved Ford, Chrysler and Holden brands!!!! Even my WIFE had one of those 375hp V8 Fords!?! I guess you haven't lived with the 'older' generation of Australians who remembered all too well the Japanese as the 'Yellow Peril' during WW2 or you would realise that ANYTHING 'Nipon' was seriously frowned on for a long time. NEVER under estimate the sensitivity of the Japanese people to criticism, particularly in those years with regard to their part in WW2. Miles can probably give a more direct take on the CURRENT attitudes in Japan to accurately recording that part of their history.

Alan You might have missed this bit: /quote The Nissan name was then pretty much unknown here, so that would have presented difficulties with the Skyline badging and is possibly the reason that C110's were called Datsun 240k instead of Nissan Skyline. I still have a Nissan jacket from 1972 which I wasn't allowed to wear, and was given Datsun jackets instead. Maybe 'Nissan' was still considered too 'Japanese', too similar to 'Nipon' for the marketing people! (don't forget Aus was a lot closer to the Pacific war than the UK) unquote/ Sensitivity to this was a lot greater than most people realise, something as residents of the Woomera Weapons Research Establishment test area during the height of the Cold War we were VERY aware of.

Jim I reckon 'available through the right contacts' would be pretty accurate although at least one KPGC10 sat on a dealers floor in Adelaide for a few weeks before going to Woomera. Itinerant residents of Woomera being individuals posted from several points around the globe tended to go get what they wanted so we saw some really unusual vehicles. Higher than average payrates helped too. Not connected with Nissan/Datsun, anyone here seen a Subaru FF Sports ?? It was a 1400cc twin carb full time four wheel drive sedan that made Cooper S's and Lotus Elans look like slugs - and one dude brought a brand new 68 model to Woomera. That shook up a few in the local sporting car club! I know who you mean with the Prince racer/dealer/factory connection and yes, too late now to get the proof we would love to have. Apparently that relationship went through the Prince years in South Oz and then went offshore with Nissan cars. Appears that the first boat load to Sydney was preceded by a much smaller consignment to South Oz with the first cars being available around Xmas 1964 but that is only anecdotal evidence from car nuts who were around then. I mean actually in a position to buy something which I sure wasn't! btw, does your KGC10 have a L20 or S20? I always thought that only the P cars were S20 but couldn't verify it. Just curious, 'cause either way it's a rare specimen.

Miles You would be right with that, these would have been essentially 'factory special order'. Didn't cause much grief for the dealers though, not too many carried the sort of stock quantities common on floor plans in the States. Some even prefered the specials, gave them extra kudos with the factory in sales competitions. That tip came from a guy I went to school with who is now one of if not the largest independent Toyota dealers in South Oz and maybe Australia.

Peter, Good one, now /dummy spit ...... dummy spit/ will have a whole new meaning!!! btw, i wish my cat's breath was that good , maybe sometning to do with the mouse (furry type) he ate earlier! Sometimes it doesn't bear thinking about. Art

Alan, If you had the right dealer most anything could be obtained, as so often happened in Aus. There was at least 1 KPGC10 sold to an RAF pilot then stationed over here and was frequently seen in Woomera SA. afaik, he shipped that car to Germany when he was posted there. Pretty sure there was no advertising done, in fact info on the cars was VERY hard to locate so it and any others would almost have been what we would now call 'grey market' cars. I have been told be rellies in NZ that they knew of the occasional PGC10 and KPGC10 over there. Although I have no evidence of it, it would be no surprise because they imported some odd things if the buyer wanted it. Similar circumstances with bits for the 240Z I bought instead of the KPGC10. We wanted triple Mikunis, Option 1 gearbox, 4.3 LSD but no such things were supposedly available through Datsun in Australia. The dealer I worked through, also my main sponsor, was able to source everything needed from Nissan Japan. The Nissan name was then pretty much unknown here, so that would have presented difficulties with the Skyline badging and is possibly the reason that C110's were called Datsun 240k instead of Nissan Skyline. I still have a Nissan jacket from 1972 which I wasn't allowed to wear, and was given Datsun jackets instead. Maybe 'Nissan' was still considered too 'Japanese', too similar to 'Nipon' for the marketing people! (don't forget Aus was a lot closer to the Pacific war the UK) A few years later a similar thing happened with the 1975 Toyota Celica where the 'official sourced' cars were all LT's with a single two-barrel carb. A dealer with connections (he had won several trips to Japan for his sales efforts) decided he wanted an ST twin carb version and knew a mate wanted a GT twin cam. He got them, although God knows how the factory explained the variations on the ADR plates! (ADR is Australian Design Rules, and every car built from about 1970 was supposed to have one attached if sold in Australia) The GT I have photos of, 'cause I owned it!

Proper S20 engined! I considered the PGC10 and then the KPGC10 became available from the dealer I was working through. A LOOONNNNGGGG serious think about a KPGC10 back in '72, eventually abandoned the idea in favour of a 240Z. The S20 was seriously attractive but I have a recollection of a price difference of something like A$570 in early '72 which was a LOT then.

Depends on which rotors and which Hilux calipers. With 250mm solid disks and four spot Hilux calipers you can get them inside 14" wheels. That's the earliest 240k front disks. With 270mm solid disks and Hilux four spot calipers a lot of 14" wheels scrape on the calipers. A good wheel shop can skim a small anount from the inside of the rim without weakening them significantly. With any 270mm vented disks and Hilux four spot calipers for 20mm thick disks you will definitely need 15" rims (the caliper is considerably bulkier). The last combo is what I run inside Performance Industries Superlites in 15x6. No Idea, clean it up, paint it, lower it some and then see what you think of it. From there you can make some decisions on where to go, one step at a time. These cars are NOT like Holdens or Fords, often a small alteration makes for a really quick car. Maybe not super quick off the line but very capable in roadholding. hth.

HS30-H is right, not too bad to restore. Soft trim is not too hard and although a limited run for the correct upholstery pattern gets a bit expensive it can be done. Back to TONYASAP, do a restore and then think about a mild modification program. These are a nice car in ride and handling, keep that character. If you want a ball-tearer pick up another car for just that purpose. How about an SR20DET powered 1200 coupe? I've seen one of these wild combos on the street on South Oz! Completely unrelated but interesting that the S54 has the chrome trim divisions across the tail lights - we've got both with and without and no idea of which was used on what or when!!!

Couple of corrections there fellas. The Prince Skyline S54B was sold in Australia from 1964 to 1967. The NISSAN Skyline S54BE3 was sold in Australia in late 1967 and 1968. Rumour has it that there were a few NISSAN Skyline S54BE3 units in 1969 although I have yet to actually see one with proof of 1969 sale. Nissan PGC10's and later KPGC10's were sold in Australia (or at least in South Australia) in limited numbers, suffering from competing with both the 510 and the 240Z. From memory the KPGC10 was several hundred dollars more than a 240Z and didn't perform as well! In South Oz the S54B in both Prince and Nissan guise actually sold quite well, quickly being recognised as a serious performer. There were apparently NO GTR C110's sold in Australia for compliance reasons, although a very limited number of 240K KHGC110's were sold as GT's. A genuine 240K GT DOES have the GT designation in the ADR plate, so if a supposed GT shows up without that in the ADR plate it ain't one of Nissan's 240K GT's. Aside from the ADR plate, the intake manifold on one of Nissan's GT's is considerably different to the production 240K, along with a few other details.

Two different Wayne's !!! Wayne Vickery's answer sounds like a salesman so might be worth CC to Wayne Cunningham. Anyway, I would expect the links to consist of: 2 links of suitable length 8 dished washers 8 nuts, locking variety 8 bushes ('rubbers') That would fit out both sides. You can determine the link length only on installation. The bar ends should be reasonably close to parallel to the suspension trailing arm. I would measure the distance between the bar and the trailing arm and give Whiteline that infornation. THEY can then supply the correct link kits. I'm still assuming that you don't have the links themselves (2 short rods threaded on both ends, 8 dished washers and 8 self locking nuts). edit/ From the second pic you posted, appears you may have the washers and nuts in the package directly below 'Test Pilot'. I still don't see any evidence of the 2 short rods threaded on both ends. So, part of the link kits, no links and no 'rubbers'! /edit