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At last years convnetion, under the park between the Westin and the Convention Center I had a conversation with an officer of the ZCCA who has a very seriously Modified Z. In the course of that conversation and several subsequent emails, we talked about Carshows (not just the ZCCA variety) in general and what Judging actually looks for-and what he felt it should, I have been weighing a good number of those conversations/emails and other similar ones I had with several people within our comunity from Zrush-while he was DJing at Zfest 2006, to a couple local club members at a Car Show weekend before last, to a recent thread here.. My opinion is that there are a lot people who want to win with what they have, and not with what is judged The ZCCA officer though that modifications should be judged for performance more than looks-I put "that's what racing is for" on a hook and that wasn't the bait he was looking for. His car is seriously modified, and was in the convention show, but his car is modified for seat time, not for resting in an Airconditioned Convention center avoiding deductions. Zrush spoke about his vision of his car, the journey of taking it from as purchased to as presented...and how people responded to it. I have had conversations about there needing to be classes for people who do all of their own work, and people whos only involvement in transformations is writing checks-my opinion is there is room for both...but how do you get some of the checkwriters to tell the truth-I have seen videos of work done in a shop claimed as being done by the owner-when he wan't in the video...or any of the pictures documenting the work... Then there is the" your Nismo is three months old, and my car is 43 years old, which one deserves a trophy"? Personally, Any car can be beautiful, and most people will appreciate what was done to a derelict to bring it back from the brink, most people will also appreciate the story of a survivor, and I don't know too many with a contempt for a new Z right off the lot-though I was pretty damn close to that with the 350Z(marketing issues-I have mellowed...). What would you choose as class divisions? The poll choices are not the answers I want, think about it, what would you reward as a Judge. I made the assumption that spotlessly clean and outstanding fit and finish are givens-I also left out a Performance upgrade class because I am not sure how to evaluate that off a track...and in a static setting. I want your thoughts! Yes I see that I typo'd custom...I didn't want to time out and have to start over...and you can't set up a pole in wordpad-it counts in the same time span as any post-I won't tell you how I know that,,,