CoastGuardZ Posted January 17, 2005 Share #13 Posted January 17, 2005 Would you mount a fake clutch pedal too?What about that oversized brake pedal? Link to comment https://www.classiczcars.com/topic/14672-bm-wants-to-borrow-your-car/?page=2#findComment-108901 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inf Posted January 17, 2005 Share #14 Posted January 17, 2005 ... so why not redesign it for modern cars?? Money spent on project : $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ Money earned from project : $ Link to comment https://www.classiczcars.com/topic/14672-bm-wants-to-borrow-your-car/?page=2#findComment-108905 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomoHawk Posted January 17, 2005 Author Share #15 Posted January 17, 2005 It doesn't have to FIT the aS30 car. We just need them to start making them again.I's not a "pretend" shifter. I see it as the evolution of the straight-gate now used. I see it as the shifter you'd get in any performance-minded car ( which is a LOT of them). I don't see to many rachet-shifters on street cars, so they must be useless too, huh?the H-pattern is just the name given to shifters for the 4 and 5-speed transmissions. You might also call it a horizontal-gate. Tthere is also a vertical-gate or "Z-gate" shift pattern.No need for a clutch pedal, because there's no clutch.B&M WAS interested in 90-93. They designed it, patented it, and marketed it, but they suddenly took it off the market before it hit the shelves because if a problem with the reverse lock-out that racers needed. I thought there might be somebody here with connections at B&M that might use the clout of this group to resurrect the project. To our benifit of course.thx Link to comment https://www.classiczcars.com/topic/14672-bm-wants-to-borrow-your-car/?page=2#findComment-108906 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bambikiller240 Posted January 17, 2005 Share #16 Posted January 17, 2005 Clout? There are probably less than 500 people who represent the core of this group. How many HAVE an automatic? How many ofthose would WANT what you are describing? a 90-96 Z32 is far different than an 70-78 S30 (far more of them left as well) interesting that they either COULDN'T or at the very least DIDN'T overcome the problem. Link to comment https://www.classiczcars.com/topic/14672-bm-wants-to-borrow-your-car/?page=2#findComment-108907 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomoHawk Posted January 17, 2005 Author Share #17 Posted January 17, 2005 Money spent on project : $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$Money earned from project : $No, no no..... You're thinking backwards...B&M designs and build shifters. They're experts at it! I saidthe shifter would be put into a million cars, it would earn $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ !!!!!You're thinking small. thing BIG. Make it an idea that WILL happen. Link to comment https://www.classiczcars.com/topic/14672-bm-wants-to-borrow-your-car/?page=2#findComment-108908 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bambikiller240 Posted January 17, 2005 Share #18 Posted January 17, 2005 I saidthe shifter would be put into a million cars, it would earn $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ !!!!!You're thinking small. thing BIG. Make it an idea that WILL happen.Please put the crack pipe down and step away from the drugs!You assume that what is designed for one car model will fit and work (and be wanted) in many others. A million? COME ON! Be real.There is a difference between thinking big and FANTASYLAND. Link to comment https://www.classiczcars.com/topic/14672-bm-wants-to-borrow-your-car/?page=2#findComment-108909 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastGuardZ Posted January 17, 2005 Share #19 Posted January 17, 2005 It doesn't have to FIT the aS30 car. We just need them to start making them again.So you want them to make a product so you can put it in your car and it doesn't have to fit? You lost me on that one. Link to comment https://www.classiczcars.com/topic/14672-bm-wants-to-borrow-your-car/?page=2#findComment-108910 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomoHawk Posted January 17, 2005 Author Share #20 Posted January 17, 2005 a 90-96 Z32 is far different than an 70-78 S30 (far more of them left as well) interesting that they either COULDN'T or at the very least DIDN'T overcome the problem.What does the 90-96 Z32 have to do with a shifter designed in 1991? Link to comment https://www.classiczcars.com/topic/14672-bm-wants-to-borrow-your-car/?page=2#findComment-108911 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomoHawk Posted January 17, 2005 Author Share #21 Posted January 17, 2005 They just need to fix the problem so they can get it (certified for competition). The idea/design can be adapted for different shift patterns, like it is for Ford C4-C6, Chevy T250-350-TH700, Mopar, etc. It should also be relatively easy to make a change for the Nissan shift gate. Remember the S30 auto trans is a LOT like the one in the Maxima, et al. Link to comment https://www.classiczcars.com/topic/14672-bm-wants-to-borrow-your-car/?page=2#findComment-108913 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inf Posted January 17, 2005 Share #22 Posted January 17, 2005 Wake up buddy. Engineers don't work for peanuts, it costs money to redesign things. Carl is right. If this was such a minor and easy to fix problem, they would have FIXED it and sold it to begin with instead of cutting their losses. Judging simply from the fact that they dropped it after investing all that time/money into designing it indicates to me that that it probably had some sort of fundamental design flaw, correction of which would have required enough manpower and retooling to obliterate any profit margin they hoped to make on it.I do not know much about this B&M company, but from what I gather they are not a non-profit organization : they are likely (wait lemme check, are they based in the USA? Yes they are.) governed by money most of all. Something that will cost X amount of money to design and produce, and sell for Y amount of money, where Y is infinitesimal compared to X, then they would have to sell a great volume of units. From what you're telling us here, I really cannot think of anyone I personally know who would buy one. Would you really pay enough to help cover a sizeable fraction of the design and production costs yourself?From what I can tell, the main 'performance' applications of automatic transmissions in Z cars is for drag racing. I think those guys won't be using the same 3 speed slushboxes that were put in the S30.Edit : forum didn't like my mathematical symbols Link to comment https://www.classiczcars.com/topic/14672-bm-wants-to-borrow-your-car/?page=2#findComment-108914 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bambikiller240 Posted January 17, 2005 Share #23 Posted January 17, 2005 What does the 90-96 Z32 have to do with a shifter designed in 1991?B&M WAS interested in 90-93. They designed it, patented it, and marketed it, but they suddenly took it off the market before it hit the shelves because if a problem with the reverse lock-out that racers needed.Guess I assumed wrong. So, they took 3 years to design, patent, and market the thing? THEN they cancelled the project before it hit the shelves?And they never revived the project? THAT should tell you how valuable B&M thought the idea was! Link to comment https://www.classiczcars.com/topic/14672-bm-wants-to-borrow-your-car/?page=2#findComment-108915 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomoHawk Posted January 17, 2005 Author Share #24 Posted January 17, 2005 So you want them to make a product so you can put it in your car and it doesn't have to fit? Yeah, I'd buy one if it would WORK. I'd make a mount for it with a nice box & everything. Many nice mods in my car already:full-size wheel in the backflip-up toolbox lidfancy shifter handleeuro-style trunk pull & door pullsmodern day/night rearview mirrorpower steeringsupportive seatsetc Link to comment https://www.classiczcars.com/topic/14672-bm-wants-to-borrow-your-car/?page=2#findComment-108916 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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