Arne Posted April 8, 2008 Share #37 Posted April 8, 2008 I think (from past experience with Bilsteins on other cars) that if Bilsteins were still available that they would increase the ride height over non-gas shocks. But since Carl's blue Z still has 35 year old springs, it is quite possible that they have sagged some.My guess after looking at the pictures of your white 260Z is that you'll need to cut your springs about the same as I did, as noted in my first reply to this thread:http://classiczcars.com/forums/showpost.php?p=247187&postcount=16 Link to comment https://www.classiczcars.com/topic/20599-how-high-does-your-z-sit-with-various-suspension-combos/?page=4#findComment-243372 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl Beck Posted April 8, 2008 Share #38 Posted April 8, 2008 Can I conclude that Bilsteins do not cause an increase in ride height but European springs do?Thanks,FixitmanIt's more a case of the older gas pressure shocks vs the newer high pressure gas shocks. (not so much the specific Brand of the shock). If Bilstein still produced the exact same shock - it would not raise the rid height.The Bilsteins on my Blue Z were installed around 1975 (lifetime warranty but they are still fine). When the aftermarket manufacturers were building lower pressure gas fill shocks - they did not raise the ride height of the Z's. All the newer high pressure gas shocks seem to raise the ride height.We took an original set of springs off my son's 70 240-Z, properly measured on specialized equipment - they were within Factory Spec. - that is to say, that there was no "sag". It takes a lot of miles of harsh use to cause a coil spring to finally start to break down and sag.The Euro Spec. Springs installed in the North American Spec. 240Z's will raise the rid height, unless you cut a coil or two off.FWIW,Carl B. Link to comment https://www.classiczcars.com/topic/20599-how-high-does-your-z-sit-with-various-suspension-combos/?page=4#findComment-243373 Share on other sites More sharing options...
beandip Posted April 8, 2008 Share #39 Posted April 8, 2008 I am restoring an early '74 260Z with Stage 1 European springs, part nos. 54010-N3500 & 55020-N3501, and Bilstein shocks purchased in the early 80's. As you can see in the attached photo, the ride height is rather high. Granted, the bumpers, exhaust, interior and spare tire still need to be installed but the ride height still seems excessive. Will the ride height decrease with more weight and use?Thanks,FixItManThis is what I wanted to avoid and why I removed 2 1/2 coils from the front and 1 3/4 coils from the rear. the ride is good for street and the car corners vary well. Push hard on mountain roads she stays flat in the turns, I have KYB G-2 for struts I am no running 205/70-14 in the rear and 1.95/70-14 in the rear. the larger tire contacted the fender extension. She measures 25 3/4 both front and rear and the tires fill the the wheel well . About a 2'' gap above the tire. Link to comment https://www.classiczcars.com/topic/20599-how-high-does-your-z-sit-with-various-suspension-combos/?page=4#findComment-243376 Share on other sites More sharing options...
FilipeA Posted April 8, 2008 Share #40 Posted April 8, 2008 Hi I have the same problem, with European Springs and Hp tokico shocks. The car seems like a monster truck, is very high and I would like to see it as it was before. I already read about cut the springs, but I didn`want to cut them! So here goes my options 1 - Let it stay at it is and wait untill some day it lower a little bit! 2 - Buy Eibach springs at MSA, already read in some threads before, the members that put them are very glad with it. What about the ride is still firm and good for some speed? 3 - Buy Koni red shocks and change them! Please tell me something, please, car is almost done, and now this thing of have to change shocks... well I thought I had all right!!! Thank you for your help Filipe Azevedo Link to comment https://www.classiczcars.com/topic/20599-how-high-does-your-z-sit-with-various-suspension-combos/?page=4#findComment-243380 Share on other sites More sharing options...
fixitman Posted April 8, 2008 Share #41 Posted April 8, 2008 It's more a case of the older gas pressure shocks vs the newer high pressure gas shocks. (not so much the specific Brand of the shock). If Bilstein still produced the exact same shock - it would not raise the rid height.The Bilsteins on my Blue Z were installed around 1975 (lifetime warranty but they are still fine). When the aftermarket manufacturers were building lower pressure gas fill shocks - they did not raise the ride height of the Z's. All the newer high pressure gas shocks seem to raise the ride height.We took an original set of springs off my son's 70 240-Z, properly measured on specialized equipment - they were within Factory Spec. - that is to say, that there was no "sag". It takes a lot of miles of harsh use to cause a coil spring to finally start to break down and sag.The Euro Spec. Springs installed in the North American Spec. 240Z's will raise the rid height, unless you cut a coil or two off.FWIW,Carl B.Carl, I'm not trying to belabor the issue but just understand the problem. Since my Bilsteins were purchased around 1983, can I assume they are of the lower pressure type? These stocks have not been used yet. Will the ride height decrease as the shocks break in? If I have lower pressure gas shocks, then the problem has to be the springs. Why do European springs cause a ride height problem on USA Z's? What's different about the suspensions? With 85,000 miles on the original springs, is their use a viable option to reduce ride height with Bilsteins? Filipe, I feel your pain! Your ride height seems higher than mine. Perhaps as more of the parts are added, the additional weight will drop the height a little.Fixitman Link to comment https://www.classiczcars.com/topic/20599-how-high-does-your-z-sit-with-various-suspension-combos/?page=4#findComment-243395 Share on other sites More sharing options...
FilipeA Posted April 8, 2008 Share #42 Posted April 8, 2008 I already read about cut the springs, but I didn`want to cut them! So here goes my options 1 - Let it stay at it is and wait untill some day it lower a little bit! 2 - Buy Eibach springs at MSA, already read in some threads before, the members that put them are very glad with it. What about the ride is still firm and good for some speed? 3 - Buy Koni red shocks and change them! Please tell me something, please, car is almost done, and now this thing of have to change shocks... well I thought I had all right!!! Thank you for your help Filipe Azevedo Hi about my options, what do you think of it? Thank You Filipe Azevedo Link to comment https://www.classiczcars.com/topic/20599-how-high-does-your-z-sit-with-various-suspension-combos/?page=4#findComment-243405 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arne Posted April 8, 2008 Share #43 Posted April 8, 2008 So here goes my options1 - Let it stay at it is and wait untill some day it lower a little bit! That will take a long time, if ever. Many, many years. As Carl noted above, coil springs aren't very prone to sag. In fact, both beandip and I noticed that our cars actually got TALLER after some break-in miles, presumably because the KYBs had less "stiction" as the seals broke in. Both our cars went up about 1/4-3/8" (7-10mm).2 - Buy Eibach springs at MSA, already read in some threads before, the members that put them are very glad with it. What about the ride is still firm and good for some speed?Since I've never used them, I'll have to let some one else answer this one.3 - Buy Koni red shocks and change them!Still not good enough. I had non-gas Mulhollands in with my springs for a while. While the car will sit lower than it does now with your Tokicos, it will still be 3/4-1" (20-25mm) too tall, because of the springs alone.My advice would be to cut the springs. I'm happy with the results on my cut springs. Link to comment https://www.classiczcars.com/topic/20599-how-high-does-your-z-sit-with-various-suspension-combos/?page=4#findComment-243407 Share on other sites More sharing options...
FilipeA Posted April 9, 2008 Share #44 Posted April 9, 2008 Hi ArneThank you for your advice!Will call MSA about the Eibach springs but if anyone give me his opinion about that will be apreciated!Thank YouFilipe Azevedo Link to comment https://www.classiczcars.com/topic/20599-how-high-does-your-z-sit-with-various-suspension-combos/?page=4#findComment-243511 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZIII Posted April 10, 2008 Share #45 Posted April 10, 2008 Filipe, Don't understand why you might have a problem with Tokico shocks. I have them on my 73, and the car lowered about 3 cm. The shocks/springs combination is just great. Best I have ever had on the car and I have tried many combinations. Here's a photo with 15 inch tires..... You might notice the 055 CD plates... spent many years in Portugal and absolutely loved your country.... Link to comment https://www.classiczcars.com/topic/20599-how-high-does-your-z-sit-with-various-suspension-combos/?page=4#findComment-243611 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oiluj Posted April 10, 2008 Share #46 Posted April 10, 2008 Very Nice! I'm going with Eibach;s and 15" wheels. Hope mine sits that nice. Link to comment https://www.classiczcars.com/topic/20599-how-high-does-your-z-sit-with-various-suspension-combos/?page=4#findComment-243621 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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