Only $AUD 295,000.00

[NickF]

Gav

Have talked to them about getting 240 motor re built and modified to 200bhp.

Approx price $3500. Did'nt seem to bad? It cost me $2700 to rebuild and mod an old Holden grey.

Any recomondations?

Nick

[Gav240z]

Sounds like an alright price for the rebuild I think that's all they do now I don't believe they really do resprays or other major bodywork there anymore.

I'd keep clear of there Zshop special suspension and exhaust systems I didn't like the sounds of that.

I got quoted $600 for a rebuilt electronic dizzy where at Zworx in Mordialloc they only charged around $250 - $200.

Always get a couple of prices before buying new or old parts from these guys,

Gav,

If in doubt go down and see Warren at Zworx he's pretty friendly.

[halz]

halz, what did you think of the seating position in the car you sat in? I reckon that if anything its better than that of the S30 ( nice and deep - almost sitting flat on the floor ) and really FEELS fast!

As I said it was a long time ago... about 15 years in fact. I do remember sitting very low in a seat that seemed to wrap around me. The other thing I remember is that I could comfortably rest my left forearm (in a RHD car) along the console with the short gear lever falling neatly to hand.

As for finding a 432 in Australia Gav, my advice is to talk, talk ,talk. Keep a list of contacts and express your interest to any enthusiast who will listen. Sooner or later you will pick up the scent. Someone will remember someone else who had this 'special 240z' but sold it to a mate in the Northern Teritory who raced it, crashed it and sold the wreck to the local postman who moved to Tasmania etc... you get the picture. Become a detective and, as Alan says, don't rely on 'official' governement records...they're easilly confused by things that aren't commodores, falcons or corollas.

[LEE240ZPERTH]

First heard about this car over a year ago, went to see a 240z advertised, during discussion with the lady owner she told me of her brother who owned a Toyota 2000 GT (Yeah right I thought to myself) she went on to describe the car and it's location and true enough here it is advertised!

Goes to show you don't know what people may have in their shed, anyone got a cheap Z432R going cheap!?

[Gav240z]

Don't even think about that, If there's a 432r here in AUS it's mine don't touch. ........

:classic:

[Gav240z]

Someone in here called the 2000GT a Yoda haha sounds funny but I am wondering why exactly they called it a yoda???? Is it cause they think it's ugly????

[26ounce]

I think it's yoda as in toy-yoda Gav.

Didn't some radio station run a competition for a "brand new toy-yoda" only to show the winner a yoda doll in the middle of a car park. I think they got sued after thatLOL

The yoda above looks pretty damn good. It looks so similar to the Z, I guess Nissan copied the basic format after toyota wimped out on going into large scale production. Big mistake toyota!

Just to go off topic while there are some Perth people around - why do all the other states seem to have Z stores in their capitals and not us. It's driving me nuts having to ring all these wreckers asking if they have any Z parts (in the rare case they do I reckon the price triples as soon as they hear Z). If someone can point me to a good local Z parts source I would really appreciate it. Failing that it looks like I will have to buy a unregistered 2+2 and impress my neighbours by having it mounted on bricks on the verge

[Alfadog]

Yeah.. toy - yoda

26ounce, there is a reason why they look similar - the same guy designed the shape both cars came from... it's a very long story and I'm not a good typist (nor am I 100% on teh details of the story) but if you ask nicely I'm sure Alan will regurgitate it for you

[Mr Camouflage]

Toyota 2000GT (1966 to 1970)

Production: 337 units

Construction: Steel body on backbone frame.

Engine: Yamaha DOHC triple carb 6 cyl 1988cc, 150bhp @ 6600rpm

Transmission: 5 speed manual

Fully idependant suspension, coilspring and whishbone all round

Disc brakes all round

Max speed 206kmh (128mph)

0-60mph 10.5sec

0-100mph 24 sec

31 mpg.

The reason it and the 240z look similar is because they are both based on the design penned by Albrecht Goertz.

A modified convertible starred with Sean Connery in the Bond Film You only live Twice.

The door handles look exactly like the celica door handle from the 70-77.

Mr C

[Bizza]

Finally someone got it right!

Through research i heard that 2000GT and the 240z's are very similar (obviuslY). I sure wish that Goeartz had made his own cars.

[St.stephen]

337 units for this car. I thought they were even rarer than that. I would have one in a second. As much as I love Z's this car really has always caught my fancy and the price tag does not surprise me at all.

Am I correct in seeing that the reason toyota did not go forward with full production was because Datsun had the 240 and toyota did not want to go head to head in the GT market at the time? They preferred to go with the passenger market.

I do collect many of the early and mid 70's guys magazines for the car ads and I don;t recall Toyota really entering the sports car market until somewhere around 76 with the celica GT. Even mazda stepped up with the RX4 then!

[HS30-H]

First off, Goertz did NOT design the S30-series Z, Second, Goertz did NOT design the 2000GT. Third, Goertz claims credit for the S30-series Z but not for the 2000GT...............

In Japan, you will hardly EVER hear Goertz mentioned in connection with either of these cars. Both of them were the efforts of teams, and in the case of the Z Goertz has even less right to any credit than he does with the 2000 GT.

Scandalously, Goertz has been allowed to inflate his importance in the design process of the Z for the last thirty-odd years. This has very much been with the assistance of the American, British and German motoring press, to whom Goertz reported his connection to the car ( with some exaggeration ) AFTER it was launched . In fact, Goertz did some good work with Nissan in the early 1960's - helping to advise them on the most up-to-date methods of life-size clay modelling as part of the design process. He helped out considerably with some suggestions on the CSP311 Silvia Coupe, but even that was not credited to Goertz alone.

Mr Yoshihiko Matsuo was the true "Designer" of the exterior on the project that we came to know as the S30-series Z, but he was the head of a small team who all had some input with the design.

They may have been influenced by some of the shapes that Goertz showed them ( who doesn't learn from a teacher? ) but Matsuo and his team designed that car - NOT Goertz.

Goertz designed / worked on a handful of cars that have been lauded as masterpieces ( notably the BMW 507 ), but the Toyota 2000GT and the S30-series Z were NOT his products. Interestingly, Goertz has never seemed to be interested in claiming any credit for the Toyota 2000GT - perhaps because it was never judged a commercial success. However, the 2000GT was a fantastic car for the period ( mid Sixties ) and was not a commercial success because of the amount of time that was spent virtually hand-building each one.

However, Goertz seemed ( and still seems ) to be very happy with putting his name to the Z, as it was such a massive success. Some readers might remember the fuss he kicked up at the launch of the S130-series car in the USA, when he ( perhaps quite correctly ) criticised in the motoring Press the way the car had become more heavy and less pure. Nissan USA released a statement to the effect that Goertz was not connected to the design of the original Z, which Goertz took exception to and threatened to sue. Nissan chickened out and settled out of court with a statement released to the press saying that Nissan's staff "benefited from Mr Goertz's designs". Goertz interpreted this as "They designed the car, but I showed them how".

If that's his form of logic, then it must be my English teacher at school who is writing this now rather than me.............

No, Goertz did not design either car.

And Nissan were never afraid of the 2000GT as a competitor. They knew that the Toyota was too expensive to be a success, and it was already floundering well before they really got into the final design process of the Z.

Some of you might be surprised that I am so vehemently against Goertz and his claims to be responsible for the design of the Z. I think Goertz knows very well who penned that car, and just how much input he had in its design. I am saddened to think that Goertz was never happy to be proud of what he DID achieve at Nissan in the early Sixties; to act as a consultant and to help them modernise their design departments. Its not as though they were in the Stone-Age design-wise, though. I personally think it a great tragedy in automotive design history that Mr Yoshihiko Matsuo and many other "unknown" Japanese designers have never received the credit that they deserve. I'm actually less interested in damning Goertz than I am in championing Matsuo, but the fact is that Goertz was telling everybody that HE designed the car for years, with hardly any reaction from Japan to tell their side of the story. This is a typical example of how Nissan lost it way in the late mid-Seventies and Eighties, and how so many good people left the company. It also goes some way to explain how they have never protected their heritage or created their own museum. What a huge waste. None of the other major Japanese car manufacturers have let their heritage slip in this way.

If Goertz was not so litigious, and Mr Matsuo was still working for Nissan, you might hear more about him. In Japan, at the launch of the "Z33" 350Z, Mr Matsuo is receiving his due credit for penning the S30-series Z ( with the support of Mr K. too ) and you will not hear Goertz mentioned at all. Quite right too.

Alan T.