Datsun-240z Vs Fairlady-z432

[HS30-H]

46 minutes ago, wheee! said:

- Fitting a car cover

- working on the engine and leaning over the fenders

- people "playing" with them in parking lots

- cost almost $600 US ($900 cdn)

The first three could equally apply to the stock Mirror(s) on the HLS30U.

The fourth wasn't and isn't an issue for owners of Japanese market models as the factory didn't charge extra for them.

 

Seriously, if they "get in the way" of working on the engine then it must be a hell of a job that needs doing? I find that they don't get in the way at all. Of course, you can reach underneath, undo just one nut and remove them in a jiffy if it's that much of an issue. Try that with the stock Export door mirror...

[wheee!]

58 minutes ago, HS30-H said:

The first three could equally apply to the stock Mirror(s) on the HLS30U.

The fourth wasn't and isn't an issue for owners of Japanese market models as the factory didn't charge extra for them.

 

Seriously, if they "get in the way" of working on the engine then it must be a hell of a job that needs doing? I find that they don't get in the way at all. Of course, you can reach underneath, undo just one nut and remove them in a jiffy if it's that much of an issue. Try that with the stock Export door mirror...

I hadn't thought of undoing them from underneath! I assumed the mud guard on my 280 would be an issue but not so much on the 240's. Don't get me wrong, I am in love with the look but will probably stay stock location on my build as my 280 restomod doesn't flow with the Fairlady feeling that much. I love to see them on the early cars though!

[bartsscooterservice]

On ‎12‎/‎8‎/‎2018 at 12:24 AM, Gav240z said:

The flat top HMB46 carbs are very misunderstood. Nobody takes the time to properly understand their operation and therefore people think ditching them is the solution. Unfortunately the internet being want it is, it means once a rumour and story takes hold it gets repeated often enough that people believe it's the truth.

Hence many have been thrown out over the years unnecessarily..sad really.

Couldn't that be sad also about the round tops ? Cause many Americans back in the day and even now seem to ditch them for a 4 barrel american downdraft carb + intake...

 

[bartsscooterservice]

18 hours ago, wheee! said:

- Fitting a car cover

- working on the engine and leaning over the fenders

- people "playing" with them in parking lots

- cost almost $600 US ($900 cdn)

but yes....very cool!

this....  and I also get nervous as heck when people decide to use my fender as a chair on car shows

[kats]

Thank you everyone, 

downfalls means rain drops ? I don’t have a problem with the mirrors in the rain , I can see the back view sufficiently but yes the mirrors have rain drops . My family car Nissan Extrail has big door mirrors , but this is so much worse than the fender mirrors in the rain , the big  mirrors  have downfalls badly.

About the price , stock NIB would be well over 100000 JPY , very accurate replica is 39800 JPY .

The fender mirror is a foldable type , when it’s got an impact , the leg will recline any direction. You see the black cylinder like a grip below the fender, there is a spring , this is the key for the function.

Kats

[Captain Obvious]

Hi Kats, I'll try my hand at a translation.

"Downfalls" means "drawbacks" or "undesirable properties" or "weaknesses".

The questioner was trying to determine if there were any problems with mounting the mirrors on the fenders when compared to mounting them on the doors.

[kats]

Thanks Captain!!! I understood it now , I see why we are talking about “ cover , price , crowded people “ etc ..

Thank you !!!

Kats

[240260280]

Wing mirrors would be very helpful in some instances

https://youtu.be/zAw_Y3Y7eKk?t=1158

 

 

[Captain Obvious]

My pleasure. Glad to help.

And thanks for the great pictures of how your mirrors work in traffic!

[kats]

You will be shocked by this , even most Japanese people would be .

https://page.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/d329095161

I can’t stop saying this , this fender mirrors is not beautiful.  An example from active Yahoo auction in Japan . 

People in Japan , at that time 1993 almost every one appreciated door mirrors, seems no one wants to have fender mirrors on his / her personal coupe ( even for sedans ) anymore like before   . Japan’s economy was really good, every young men tried to buy these cars and their father all rushed to buy Luxury  sedan Nissan CIMA or Toyota Celcior . 

But here it is , a  very very few people was still preferred the fender mirrors even on a Silvia ! This fender mirrors must be a dealer option at a local Nissan .

I posted old stories on here or other thread  before , Japanese rules were really strict, too much conservative. It was just crazy.

No door mirrors allowed  cars before March 1983 , no wide wheels , even some people got a ticket because they had Z432 emblems instead of their original registration type of car . ( on the other hand, there were a lot of protesters enjoyed whatever they want on the street ) 

Z32 and R32GTR , NSX , Supra , all Japanese manufacturers followed max 280 PS engine voluntary restraints . Literally it was not mandatory, but it was just like a restriction . RB26DETT , it was meant to be produce 500 PS or more , however it was sold as 280 PS engine to the public.

And many people know about that , when  type S130 debuted in Japan , the law did not allowed “ space saver “ spare tire . So , Japanese S130 had to have a big spare wheel on the rear deck ( what a meaningless law , the tire obscured almost whole space ) as it did intended to be flat for the compartment area , with newly introduced a space saver tire in the rear quarter panel .

Everything like that , Japan was very very stubborn for new things , and worried about too much “ freedom of car “ . 

I used to owned this Silvia , everything original car . 

Kats

Edited December 17, 2018 by kats

[Captain Obvious]

There is a saying here in the US... "The grass is always greener on the other side of the fence."

In it's simplest term, it's used to describe the guy who looks out his window into his yard and thinks to himself that his neighbors yard always looks nicer than his does and he wishes he had his neighbors yard instead.

Put into the context of automotive enthusiasts... People here in the US modify their cars changing over to fender mirrors, changing to right hand drive, re-badging their 240SX cars to Silvia. Converting to clear JDM tail lights on their 300ZX's. The Honda guys peeling off the US hood ornament and installing the red Japanese H instead because it's neat.

Wouldn't surprise me to find that kids in Japan do the exact opposite.

The grass is always greener.     

[HS30-H]

7 hours ago, Captain Obvious said:

Put into the context of automotive enthusiasts... People here in the US modify their cars changing over to fender mirrors, changing to right hand drive, re-badging their 240SX cars to Silvia. Converting to clear JDM tail lights on their 300ZX's. The Honda guys peeling off the US hood ornament and installing the red Japanese H instead because it's neat.

Wouldn't surprise me to find that kids in Japan do the exact opposite.

The grass is always greener.     

If you're expecting a groundswell of Japanese owners to start converting their cars from RHD to LHD, from 5-speed to 4-speed, from 3.9:1 diff ratios to 3.3:1, fast steering rack ratios to slow etc etc - with a special premium on adding Amco 'towel rail' bumper bars - then don't hold your breath.

Emblems are one thing, but it tends not to go much further than that.