Questions/Comments on #1905 Parts

[EVILC]

I have finally started to take #1905 apart. Just in the first day, I came across a few parts that I have not seen before and/or read about here on classic. So I guess I can add some kind of timeline or history on our Z cars.

A recap, this car is a 2/1970 car all original down to the sparkplugs dated in 69.

First item is a shield that is on both seats. I heard there is no part number for this part and I wasn't sure what we really call it?

Also these hooks that are on the seats, are there two versions of these?

Second item is a "solid chrome Z" on the pillar emblem. Top one is from my #1905 car and the bottom from a 6/70 car I parted a few months ago...both metal.

Last item for now, spare tire.

There a few other items I will post and comment about later.

[JohnnyO]

Pretty sure the first item is just referred to as a "Seat shield"

The second item is the seatbelt hooks and yes, from what I've read there are 2 versions.

Third item: Very nice find on the solid z. Very rare, I have never seen one in person.

Fourth item is a very nice spare and wheel.

How about some pictures of the whole car and a little history?

John

[zed2]

All these parts relate to the very early production 240Zs. Please keep me in mind if you decide to offer them for sale.

Keith

[Mike B]

Those are the "2nd gen" seatbelt hooks which are made of plastic. There is a "3rd gen" as well that are also plastic, but longer.

Here are some pictures of the "1st gen" seatbelt hooks that came on HLS30-00210. They are metal covered with a black vinyl. I am working on making some reproductions based on these.

Also, I let Will borrow one of my original seat guards (the official, unofficial name for them) in March to make a mold for casting reproductions, but I don't think any progress has been made on that.

Finally, the solid chrome Z emblems are pretty rare, but the ones that are solid cast (no hollow space on the backs) are really rare. Two of my cars had all of the original emblems and the chrome Z quarter emblems, and Datsun script on the rear hatch are solid cast. HLS30-00210 even had a solid cast hood emblem, which is the only one I have ever seen. The one on HLS30-00032 is also original metal, but is is hollow in the back. Here is a thread with pictures http://www.classiczcars.com/forums/showthread.php?t=31488.

-Mike

[Mike B]

Clive,

Your bring up a good question that I have wondered about and would like to collect data on: how long were the various early parts used, or what is the highest VIN to have specific early parts? We ofter refer to them as parts for 1969 production cars, but as your car shows many of them were used in early 1970 too. I should make a list of the real early items and start another thread. Does your car have the rubber mats? VIN #1382 is for sale on ebay now http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140371748368&viewitem=&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWAX%3AIT and has at least the rear deck rubber mat and I was kind of surprised by that.

-Mike

[EVILC]

Mike my car does not have that ruber mat.

Also, was this common on the early cars (factory)....two screws on the bottom of the door panel or common fix for door panels no staying on the door?

[EVILC]

Pretty sure the first item is just referred to as a "Seat shield"

The second item is the seatbelt hooks and yes' date=' from what I've read there are 2 versions.

Third item: Very nice find on the solid z. Very rare, I have never seen one in person.

Fourth item is a very nice spare and wheel.

How about some pictures of the whole car and a little history?

John[/quote']

John for you:

http://www.classiczcars.com/forums/showthread.php?t=32987&highlight=1905

[EVILC]

Tomorrow, I wil have to check to see if the emblem is solid on the backside....I don't think it is.

[Mike B]

Also, was this common on the early cars (factory)....two screws on the bottom of the door panel or common fix for door panels no staying on the door?

Yes, I would say it is pretty common on early cars. Here is a thread that discusses them http://www.classiczcars.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21025. I'm not sure if they came from the factory that way or if they were a dealer fix. If they were a fix I think there would be a tech service bulletin on them, but I don't believe there is, so I lean towards them being installed from the factory, but maybe not on every car. They were on HLS30-00210 and 00237 when I got them. They were not on 00032, but I believe those door panels were replaced in the 80's when the owner painted the car.

-Mike

Edited January 6, 2010 by Mike B
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[Arne]

Mike my car does not have that ruber mat.

Also, was this common on the early cars (factory)....two screws on the bottom of the door panel or common fix for door panels no staying on the door?

From what I've seen those screws were common even on fairly late Series 1 cars. #12746 (10/70) had 'em...

[26th-Z]

Clive,

The door screws were used on later series one cars. They were not on 26th or 27th. That should be a chrome screw with a translucent plastic grommet. The same was used to secure the interior quarter-window panel to the front post of the quarter-window. The quarter-window frame had a tab welded on to it for that screw. Very early cars did not have the tab or the screw. At least, this is my belief at the moment until someone who claims to be more of an expert than me blasts me for my ignorance.

[EVILC]

Arne & Chris thanks.

My 71 did not have those screws in the bottom of the door. So that makes sense that "most" of the 70 built cars had em. The panels do have the translucent plastic grommet that Chris speaks of.

Mike, I will make notes here on this thread about "early" parts still used on my 2/70. As you said, it is kinda cool to know where the parts were stopped being used. Next few items I will look at is the speedo, radio (light color), and anything else you guys want me to take pics of. Thanks for all the feedback so far.