1971 240z

[lapoija12]

hey guys my name is jason and i joined this site for my buddy he has one of the most remarkable 240z you'll get a chance to see. a real survivor. he is the second owner this gem just kinda landed in his lap and he hung on to it for a while never drove it just sits in his garage. he also has 1970 amc javelin thats his real love and wants the garage for that thing. so some lucky collector has a real oppurtunity to own a piece of history 1971 all over again:classic:

[ChrisZ]

Are you trying to sell a car here?

[motorman7]

He is referring to this one

http://www.datsunclassifieds.com/showproduct.php?product=5399

[ChrisZ]

Hmmmm, odd way

[mlc240z]

Definitely an odd way, but from what I can see that looks very NICE.

Don't know if it's worth that much tho.

[auzziez]

Is that really a '71. The gas door looks correct, but the rear hatch and side emblems don't look as I would expect. Did these change between early '71 and late '71 cars?

[mlc240z]

Yup, vertical wires on the hatch defroster and later emblems match what I have on my 5/71 mfg Z.

[auzziez]

Yup, vertical wires on the hatch defroster and later emblems match what I have on my 5/71 mfg Z.

Something must have changed between December'70 and May'71. My 12/70 (registered as a '71) S30 has the vertical wire defrosters, but I have the vented hatch and the 240Z in a circle side emblems.

Edited September 21, 2010 by auzziez

[JohnnyO]

It is very nice and could fetch that amount if the information is all accurate and documented. I am pretty sure that car has been discussed here before. I am glad they are standing firm on the price, it only helps when we get what they are worth.

[Carl Beck]

Hi John:

I would have to respectfully disagree. For $20 to $23K you can buy a true #2 Condition 71 240Z. Low mileage is nice, all stock is nice - - but the value of a 240-Z is mostly in it over-all condition.

So why is this specific car not up to true #2 Condition standards?

1. After sitting since 1976 - it is really a pig in a poke - the potential buyer has no idea of how it is going to run, nor the actual amount of time and money it will take to put it in road-worthy condition. I wrote a Post related to awakening Sleeping Beauties some time ago - and if they threw a Red Top in that car and cranked it over and over - trying to start it - without all proper and called for preventative measures having been taken... it could easily lead to a lot of expense and time to correct. At the very least it represents a lot of RISK to any potential buyer. Funds have to be reserved to cover that risk...

2. This 240Z seems to have all its original parts - - but they are not in "original" condition.

As you can see from the few pictures of the engine compartment - the metal parts that were originally Bright Yellow Cad plated - are now deteriorated and turning gray. Engine parts, carb linkages, nuts, bolts, fuel rail, air injection tube etc etc... On a #2 Condition car these would all look like new... ie bright and shinny.

3. Likewise - the original braided hoses have all faded and deteriorated... The block has obvious surface rust etc. etc. etc.

A true #1 / #2 Condition example would appear "as new" - - not as 40 year old used parts, even if slighty used.

This is a great car that "COULD" be brought up to # 2 condition - but it will take a lot more time, money and serious effort before it is close to that standard.

Who Buys 240Z's today in the $20K+ price range? Answer - Only serious Collectors. That makes it a very small market filled with very picky buyers.

In my experience - the guys that are willing to spend serious money for true #1 and #2 Condition examples - - have no interest in refreshing/restoring collectible cars themselves. They will pay for "perfection" and/or very near perfection.. they will simply pass on anything that needs a lot of detail work that takes a lot of time...

IMHO - both the very low mileage cars offered recently - are wonderful examples - but both would need a lot of work and perhaps several thousand dollars to bring them up to even current road-worthy and show ready condition. All of which done half-fast - and/or incorrectly - could reduce their value.

I doubt offers of much over $18K would be tended this year or next. Even then it would take a serious Enthusiast - with that kind of CASH on hand.... Again a pretty limited group today. Most Enthusiasts that are willing to spend $20+ on a 240Z, want to do it themselves so they know it has been done correctly... sounds like you;-)

Just my opinion...

Carl B.

Edited September 21, 2010 by Carl Beck

[Carl Beck]

Something must have changed between December'70 and May'71. My 12/70 (registered as a '71) S30 has the vertical wire defrosters, but I have the vented hatch and the 240Z in a circle side emblems.

Hi Tony:

See: http://zhome.com/History/1970or1971.html

FWIW,

Carl B.

[rtaylor]

Carl I agree with you, especially on the cash needed to get it running. My car was almost in the same condition with 28,000 original miles on it (and yellow as well) I have put close to $10k in it so far. I even had to yank the motor and go thru it as the rings had rusted in place, and mine only sat from 1981.

Mine is a 2/71. I have seen 1/71 Zs with the 240z emblem rather than the circle side emblem. I have also seen 1/71 Zs with the circle side emblem.

Edited September 21, 2010 by rtaylor