TomCrowley Posted May 29, 2013 Share #1 Posted May 29, 2013 I pulled these off my 240z parts car and I am looking to rebuild them and put them on my 280z with a stroker motor. Any tips or concerns I should have and where to find a rebuild kit in general.I know they are in pretty rough shape but they are definitely rebuildable. Link to comment https://www.classiczcars.com/topic/46655-rebuilding-double-webbers/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
240260280z Posted May 29, 2013 Share #2 Posted May 29, 2013 Stick with SU's or get triples. The weber downdrafts are not performance carbs. They are optimized for fuel efficiency and WOT. DGV's are generally used to replace slightly more complex but similarly designed carbs on Japanese engines that the owners and their mechanics can't take the time to learn how to troubleshoot. Link to comment https://www.classiczcars.com/topic/46655-rebuilding-double-webbers/#findComment-424363 Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeonV Posted May 29, 2013 Share #3 Posted May 29, 2013 I pulled these off my 240z parts car and I am looking to rebuild them and put them on my 280z with a stroker motor. Any tips or concerns I should have and where to find a rebuild kit in general.I know they are in pretty rough shape but they are definitely rebuildable. [ATTACH=CONFIG]63632[/ATTACH] Follow me here, Tom. Step 1: Toss DGVs into nearest garbage can. Step 2: Install triples. Link to comment https://www.classiczcars.com/topic/46655-rebuilding-double-webbers/#findComment-424376 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomCrowley Posted May 30, 2013 Author Share #4 Posted May 30, 2013 how much of a performance difference are we talking? 2 double barrel carbs doesn't seem like a fuel efficient setup. and if triples are that much better is there any way to get them for under like a thousand from what i am seeing online? Link to comment https://www.classiczcars.com/topic/46655-rebuilding-double-webbers/#findComment-424424 Share on other sites More sharing options...
240260280z Posted May 30, 2013 Share #5 Posted May 30, 2013 The Weber double barrels have a two stage design. The first is designed for fuel efficiency at idle and cruise by providing a very narrow throat. (Japanese double barrel carbs are even more efficient as they typically have solenoid driven fuel cut circuits, bcdd circuits, and two inter-working idle stages etc.The problem with down draft carbs on an inline engine is that the fuel and air charge has to turn 90 degrees. Down draft carbs are geometrically more optimal on "V" engines than on "I" engines. Link to comment https://www.classiczcars.com/topic/46655-rebuilding-double-webbers/#findComment-424440 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zedyone_kenobi Posted May 30, 2013 Share #6 Posted May 30, 2013 If you cannot get around the price for triples, DO not be afraid to call up Ztherapy and get some 'hot' SU's built. they are Great carbs and when fresh can give you a fantastic driving feel and good performance throughout the rev range.SU's are wonderful simple carbs that still give pretty good tuning opportunities. Link to comment https://www.classiczcars.com/topic/46655-rebuilding-double-webbers/#findComment-424443 Share on other sites More sharing options...
240260280z Posted May 30, 2013 Share #7 Posted May 30, 2013 (edited) Not sure if these are Weber's of fake Weber's: Datsun Nissan 240Z 260z Triple 40 Dcoe Carburetor Kit | eBayReal:Datsun 240Z 260z 280z ZX Fairlady Z Triple Weber Carburetors Cannon Manifold | eBay Edited May 30, 2013 by Blue Link to comment https://www.classiczcars.com/topic/46655-rebuilding-double-webbers/#findComment-424454 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zedyone_kenobi Posted May 30, 2013 Share #8 Posted May 30, 2013 me thinks those are knock offs Blue. NO Weber logo, and the screws look more generic. The Manifold is also not a Cannon, but a clone of a cannon. I do not even want to think how bad that will fit. The Cannon is sub par. Link to comment https://www.classiczcars.com/topic/46655-rebuilding-double-webbers/#findComment-424460 Share on other sites More sharing options...
240260280z Posted May 30, 2013 Share #9 Posted May 30, 2013 yeah I read about Chinese knock offs...may be this is a first sighting. The ad does not state "weber" only DCOE however they do have "weber" in other ads. Maybe they are coming out of Spain given the recession? Link to comment https://www.classiczcars.com/topic/46655-rebuilding-double-webbers/#findComment-424470 Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeonV Posted May 30, 2013 Share #10 Posted May 30, 2013 me thinks those are knock offs Blue. NO Weber logo, and the screws look more generic. The Manifold is also not a Cannon, but a clone of a cannon. I do not even want to think how bad that will fit. The Cannon is sub par.I suppose they could be. However, all signs point to the vendor being Pierce Manifolds.The Manifold is definitely not a "clone" of the Cannon, but a TWM (who I believe is owned by Borla now). Considering Pierce supplies these manifolds, that's one clue. The other is the location being Gilroy, CA and the fact that they're selling so many Weber products...Best bet would be contacting the seller and asking what's up, as that's a good price. Link to comment https://www.classiczcars.com/topic/46655-rebuilding-double-webbers/#findComment-424476 Share on other sites More sharing options...
240260280z Posted May 30, 2013 Share #11 Posted May 30, 2013 Vol 02 Issue 1.pdfTom,If you are going to rebuild those, soak them in a strong solvent first to clean. Disassemble then clean the inner passagesRebuild and use kits like these:Rebuild kits are at pierce manifolds 28/30 DGV,32/36 DGV, 32 DGR<br><font color="red">92.3238.05</font>or webercarb direct 32/36 DGV DGAV DGEV Rebuild KitYou may have to tune by changing jets. Here is an article on rebuilding the progressive sync'd version Weber DGAV Carb Rebuild Guide | Classic FordHere is an exploded view: http://www.piercemanifolds.com/v/vspfiles/templates/34/images/exploded_DGV5A.gifMore info here: Tech Wiki - Weber 32/36 Carburetor : Datsun 1200 ClubI also added a couple of files with DGV info within.Vol 01 Issue 3.pdf Link to comment https://www.classiczcars.com/topic/46655-rebuilding-double-webbers/#findComment-424481 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zedyone_kenobi Posted May 30, 2013 Share #12 Posted May 30, 2013 I suppose they could be. However, all signs point to the vendor being Pierce Manifolds.The Manifold is definitely not a "clone" of the Cannon, but a TWM (who I believe is owned by Borla now). Considering Pierce supplies these manifolds, that's one clue. The other is the location being Gilroy, CA and the fact that they're selling so many Weber products...Best bet would be contacting the seller and asking what's up, as that's a good price.gosh, that would shock me if it was Pierce and they were fakeI have had nothing but great experience with Pierce. Link to comment https://www.classiczcars.com/topic/46655-rebuilding-double-webbers/#findComment-424484 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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