Z's on BAT and other places collection

[dspillman]

Australian hs30-00004…69?

 

Edited December 3, 2024 by dspillman
Numerically incorrect…

[Gav240z]

16 hours ago, dspillman said:

Australian hs30-00004…69?

Careful you'll start a serious debate. haha.

[dspillman]

5 hours ago, Gav240z said:

Careful you'll start a serious debate. haha.

The engine number is the only thing on the car that represents as being a 69 build….maybe.  
     Windshield dates/ other glass dates?

Edited December 4, 2024 by dspillman

[hiyabrad]

12 hours ago, dspillman said:

The engine number is the only thing on the car that represents as being a 69 build….maybe.  
     Windshield dates/ other glass dates?

https://www.viczcar.com/forums/topic/11290-early-australian-motoring-press-review-hs30-0004/

[Gav240z]

13 hours ago, dspillman said:

The engine number is the only thing on the car that represents as being a 69 build….maybe.  
     Windshield dates/ other glass dates?

The short version of it is, that it's quite possible the car was started in 1969, but put on hold as US / North American demand for HLS30's started to ramp up. It has a mix of different date components on it (eg: engine casting date is 69) but other parts indicate Jan 70 build date. So I believe although it has 69 era parts, it's official birthday (when it got it's ok sticker for QA purposes) was probably around Jan 70. I think the car arrived in Australia in April of 1970.

[dspillman]

20 hours ago, Gav240z said:

Careful you'll start a serious debate. haha.

       Window dates would be productive I would think.

The ill fitting gas lid has the later metal lever.

Non-chrome Z rear quarter, and rear hatch emblem.

3 screw inner sill plate/cover versus 5? for early cars.

My concern about the later hood bumper/stops being present could be checked easily by determining if the nut is welded to the lip of cowl that bumper stop bolt threads into.

   I own hls30-00841 Jan/70 which had later hood stops installed at some point due to being raced , requiring hood pins....someone drilled out original coarse screw threads in sheet metal, and used locking nuts from either side to adjust and secure.     hood bumpers could have been mistakenly replaced with later hood stops during a restoration at some point in time.

 

David

[Gav240z]

23 minutes ago, dspillman said:

Window dates would be productive I would think.

Rear window is heated defrost type and was replaced at some point. It's date stamp doesn't match other components on the car.

I did ask for photos of other components with date stamps on them a few months ago, under the rear view mirror, horn button contact etc.. but the photo wasn't able to pick up the fine details (particularly on the horn button). @kats has suggested other under dash markings might be useful, but I was not in a position to crawl under the car and look at those things myself. It's at the auction house and it may be possible to inspect in person.

23 minutes ago, dspillman said:

Non-chrome Z rear quarter, and rear hatch emblem.

Car was given a restoration in the 90s, it's quite possible these were replaced at that point. The car was and has been repainted in it's history.

24 minutes ago, dspillman said:

3 screw inner sill plate/cover versus 5? for early cars.

Do you mean the sill cover where the carpet and door area is?

24 minutes ago, dspillman said:

My concern about the later hood bumper/stops being present could be checked easily by determining if the nut is welded to the lip of cowl that bumper stop bolt threads into.

It's an early style bonnet (or hood in your lingo), it's missing the reinforced brackets in the corners where the bonnet meet the inspection lids.

I think in another thread I highlighted that it had the plastic inspection lid clips (earlier style).

However the car may have had other reasons for some parts to be replaced.. it is 50+ years old now...

[dspillman]

This is the hood/bonnet bumper 

[dspillman]

This earlier one was used as late as February  70

Edited December 5, 2024 by dspillman

[dspillman]

The later one had the welded in nut to thread into……   Likely no “Aussie” cars had the earlier version… 

[zspert]

Of course you're correct about the early style of Hood Height Adjuster as well as the lack of a gusset in that corner but the "Restoration(s)"? and ambiguity(s) when dealing with 69 production date cars make a lot of these issues impossible to confirm with the degree of certainty I'm comfortable with.

[kats]

Hi, 

I think that car HS30-00004 is now needing to be determined 69 or 70 for the auction. 
It is very difficult to nail down “at or before December 31st 1969” or “at or later January 1st 1970.”

Usually we don’t care about cars made December or January, or February etc. However the car in question needs to be determined “when” because of reflecting sales price. People don’t think 69 and 70 are in the same price range. 
Here in Japan we don’t really care about year. We care about Fairlady Z or ZL, Z432-R or Z432, Fairlady 240Z or 240ZL, Fairlady 240ZG. 
 

Two things make it difficult,

#1 The car doesn’t have manufacturer date plaque like US & Canada S30. 

So the car need to show exact date. The date stamped on the parts. And the latest stamp among them has to be found. 

#2 How can we  tell parts in the car are original? If you take it sincerely, you will deeply look at them and realize it’s not easy to tell. 
 

Here is a very good example (it is not a 69  car though ), a slip which came with the owners manual & the warranty book.  I used to own this car, 12/71 orange automatic which is now resides in Chris’s museum in Netherlands. 
 

You see “平〜本“ , “date 12-9” on the slip. This means, the car delivered from 平塚工場 Hiratsuka plant to 本牧埠頭　Honmoku pier on December 9th. 
Not every car has this slip but if your car has this slip, it clearly indicates that your car delivered at the date described from the Nissan Shatai Hiratsuka plant.

Of course the date when the car crossed the finish line might be different in some cases from the date of delivery but, we think naturally that they must have not wanted their  complete cars stuck in the facility. So I guess cars were delivered almost the same date. 

And this car has the stamp on the steering horn contact plate which indicates 46. 12. *. It is obvious that the contact plate was stamped on December 1971, not sure for date but we can see there could be maximum 9 days between the slip and the plate.

That is why I have been advocating the method of the stamp on the contact plate is useful to imagine “when”.

It would tell us very close date when cars delivered from Nissan Shatai.

I am curious to see if the green monster BAT 240Z has the date stamp on the contact plate. 
Because the car still has the slip “date 5-27”. 

Kats