ennisdavis Posted September 18, 2021 Share #1 Posted September 18, 2021 What ties the front frame rails into the rockers. Hard to believe just the sheet metal firewall. Link to comment https://www.classiczcars.com/topic/65830-structural-design/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patcon Posted September 18, 2021 Share #2 Posted September 18, 2021 I believe the firewall is all there is Link to comment https://www.classiczcars.com/topic/65830-structural-design/#findComment-628691 Share on other sites More sharing options...
grannyknot Posted September 19, 2021 Share #3 Posted September 19, 2021 Because it's a unibody the A pillars flow down into the uprights that the door hinges attach to on either side of the car then that flows into the rockers, on the inside of the floor pan/firewall is the transmission tunnel that ties it all together. You could also add a direct connection between the two and some triangulation. 3 1 Link to comment https://www.classiczcars.com/topic/65830-structural-design/#findComment-628699 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ennisdavis Posted September 19, 2021 Author Share #4 Posted September 19, 2021 Yes but the A pillar rocker connection is outboard of the front frame rails. I believe its just the firewalll doing the work. And in my case, its rusted out. Link to comment https://www.classiczcars.com/topic/65830-structural-design/#findComment-628713 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Namerow Posted September 19, 2021 Share #5 Posted September 19, 2021 Grannyknot's explanation is on the right path and identifies a key part of the S30's structure whose importance is often overlooked: the transmission tunnel. Your question seems to be focused on braking loads (i.e. rear-directed loads that occur in the horizontal plane) and your supposition is that the rocker structures are the only elements of the structure available to absorb these loads. Were that true, than the braking loads would, indeed, need to be transferred to the rockers by the firewall panel. Not an ideal situation, as you've guessed. In fact, the braking loads are largely absorbed into the transmission tunnel (note: 'largely', not 'entirely'), which then distributes some of those loads out into the floor pans. The pictures below will, hopefully, help you to see this... The rocker structures may eventually take up some of the braking loads, too, but I don't think it's a very large component. The rocker panels' job in the structure ure that everything was kosher. 3 Link to comment https://www.classiczcars.com/topic/65830-structural-design/#findComment-628714 Share on other sites More sharing options...
grannyknot Posted September 19, 2021 Share #6 Posted September 19, 2021 8 hours ago, ennisdavis said: Yes but the A pillar rocker connection is outboard of the front frame rails. I believe its just the firewalll doing the work. And in my case, its rusted out. All I'm saying is you can't think of any part of the body as an individual piece, because it isn't. In your case with the fire wall rusted out the stresses have to take other routes which isn't good. There are lots of little things you can do to a 240-280z body to improve stiffness but most of them aren't practical unless the body is stripped and on a rotisserie. 1 Link to comment https://www.classiczcars.com/topic/65830-structural-design/#findComment-628738 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ennisdavis Posted September 19, 2021 Author Share #7 Posted September 19, 2021 Grannyknot, great idea to tie the frame rail into the rockers. How does it look with fenders on. ie can you see the support. Alot of unitized structures tie these together. Link to comment https://www.classiczcars.com/topic/65830-structural-design/#findComment-628749 Share on other sites More sharing options...
grannyknot Posted September 20, 2021 Share #8 Posted September 20, 2021 11 hours ago, ennisdavis said: Grannyknot, great idea to tie the frame rail into the rockers. How does it look with fenders on. ie can you see the support. Alot of unitized structures tie these together. Thanks but I just borrowed it from the Z guys that came before me, no you can't see it unless you get on your hands and knees and it doesn't come near tire. Link to comment https://www.classiczcars.com/topic/65830-structural-design/#findComment-628769 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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